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Finance Committee — 2026-03-23

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0:07Approval of the minutes of the March 2, 2026 Finance Committee meeting.
Motion type(s) spoken: — · no passage phrase heard by ASR
  • 0:17 “Without objection, they are approved.”
0:35ORDINANCE 15-2026 - AN ORDINANCE to take effect immediately provided it receives the affirmative vote of at least two thirds of the members of Council, or otherwise to take effect and be in force at the earliest period allowed by law to enact Section 129.6
Motion type(s) spoken: substitute · no passage phrase heard by ASR · ASR heard nay/opposed/abstain wording — verify
  • 1:08 “I will move to substitute the ordinance with the substitute that is in Granicus.”
  • 1:15 “Second.”
  • 1:16 “The motion is made. Second. Any discussion?”
  • 10:54 “Second.”
  • 10:57 “Motion seconded.”
  • 19:28 “So the motion has been made.”
  • 19:29 “I will second that motion.”
  • 25:11 “Second.”
31:35ORDINANCE 27-2025 - AN ORDINANCE to take effect immediately provided it receives the affirmative vote of at least two thirds of the members of Council, or otherwise to take effect and be in force at the earliest period allowed by law, repealing Chapter 160
Motion type(s) spoken: — · no passage phrase heard by ASR
  • 31:35 “Okay the second”
  • 32:57 “Motion's been made.”
  • 32:59 “Is there a second?”
  • 33:01 “Second. The motion made.”
  • 34:29 “Second. Motion to amend”
  • 38:25 “Second.”
  • 38:27 “Motion made. Second.”
  • 31:33 “All those in favor say aye. Aye.”

Full ASR transcript

0:00 I will go ahead and call to order March 23rd, 2026 Finance Committee.
0:08 The first order of business is the review and approval of the March 2nd, 2026 Finance Committee meeting minutes.
0:17 Without objection, they are approved.
0:19 I was ready to make my big motion.
0:21 Slow your thunder, Councilman Bolk. I apologize.
0:25 The next order of business, we have two docket items of which we covered in our last meeting,
0:31 but we wanted to sleep on it a little bit before we came back.
0:35 So the first one is Ordinance 15, 2026, which is the ordinance to create the Host Community Cannabis Fund,
0:43 section 129.65, like codified ordinances.
0:48 As introduced, it had some language.
0:52 And then on the floor at the last meeting, we discussed some additional language
0:58 that I believe is reflected in Granicus as a substitute.
1:03 And there may be further amendments on that, but I guess to start the discussion off,
1:08 I will move to substitute the ordinance with the substitute that is in Granicus.
1:15 Second.
1:16 The motion is made. Second. Any discussion?
1:19 All those in favor say aye.
1:21 Aye.
1:22 Okay, so now we have the substituted version.
1:27 The one thing, so Councilman Evans couldn't be here,
1:31 but he did send me a thoughtful note in advance.
1:36 I think he's dealing with allergies or is a little under the weather,
1:39 is sometimes, you know, I, as a member of council,
1:46 I have a good idea of the purpose of our funds,
1:49 where the money that goes into our funds come from and the general purpose
1:53 that those monies are then spent because it's dictated in our codified ordinances
1:58 and in law.
1:59 The one thing is I don't always have great clarity and perhaps
2:04 if you go through the budget book, you could find that clarity of like
2:07 what specific things the funds from a specific fund are spent on.
2:12 I should stop saying fund.
2:13 What specific things the money from the funds are spent on
2:16 from a line item perspective.
2:18 And that's one thing that Councilman Evans brought up.
2:21 And I was wondering if there's an easy way.
2:25 So this question to the finance director is would there be a way over the next
2:30 couple of years for the finance department to provide a communication
2:33 in the docket at the end of each year that kind of outlines what,
2:36 where this money was spent in a more limited nature,
2:39 like kind of segregated from the other funds?
2:42 Are you meaning specific to this fund?
2:45 To this fund, yes.
2:46 Well, it would, the definition would be in our CAFR, AFCR, sorry.
2:54 So for the uninitiated, could you describe what an AFCR is?
2:58 It's our yearly financials.
3:00 And there is a list, I believe there should be a list of every fund
3:05 and what their purpose is in that.
3:10 And I mean, yeah, I'm happy to give a report to Council on the specific fund
3:17 if you wanted annually.
3:21 Yes, because I understand, and that's my level of knowledge of our funds.
3:25 We have many restricted funds.
3:27 And I read through and I see balances.
3:30 And then sometimes when I go into the Board of Control,
3:32 I can see where money comes from for certain projects.
3:39 But then the collation is where I miss some of it,
3:42 to see actually where, you know, like kind of a true up of a particular fund.
3:49 And I think this one is of importance to the community.
3:52 It's a new revenue source.
3:53 So I think some mechanism to see that from a reporting standpoint,
3:58 whatever we do to the language and exhibit or in subsection C
4:03 as far as what the authorized expenditures are.
4:08 Any comments from my colleagues on that point?
4:13 Councilor Bullock, thanks.
4:14 You're saying not a prospective,
4:16 but a year end or look back reporting period to say what were the actuals?
4:23 Yes.
4:24 And why I propose that is because this is a new source of funds.
4:30 So I think it would be helpful for us as the appropriators in the city
4:33 to see where these new funds are going.
4:36 And then potentially that could inform some future decisions
4:40 about authorized expenditures, right?
4:42 Are we – is there money sitting in there because it can't be spent?
4:46 Or do we see it's going more towards a certain subsection
4:52 of the authorized expenditures?
4:53 So we want to think about that from a policy perspective?
4:56 Certainly.
4:57 I mean, that's – I agree very much.
4:59 Thank you very much.
5:00 And I think that probably is a healthy practice for all funds
5:03 or for all of us right now.
5:06 But to take this first step, I'd be happy to support a request
5:11 or a requirement.
5:15 I suppose, Director, would a simple communication be enough?
5:20 This could be a standard practice for at least this fund?
5:27 Sure.
5:28 Yeah, that's no problem.
5:30 I would just ask – I don't – I haven't seen the granicus.
5:33 Could you scroll it up just so I can see the change?
5:37 I can see – I can't see the bottom of it.
5:39 Can you scroll to the –
5:41 Yeah.
5:42 Oh, yeah, Section C.
5:54 Mr. Chair.
5:56 Yes.
5:57 Unless you were in the middle of a thought,
5:59 I've got a point to build on.
6:01 Always in the middle of a thought,
6:02 but not a particularly insightful one.
6:04 Great.
6:05 So, okay, no particular – there might be a couple
6:10 of corrective amendments to include.
6:12 So I'm supportive of the spirit of Councilman Striebig's
6:16 proposed changes here.
6:18 I guess the committee has accepted the changes.
6:21 We might capitalize on them.
6:22 Yeah, to be clear, they were accepted to then form the basis
6:25 of our discussion.
6:26 So we'll open to other amendments.
6:28 So first of all, I think it's a good change.
6:31 So in Section A, we say this – there's hereby established
6:36 a capital projects fund.
6:39 Okay, so then we jump down to Section C.
6:42 Now we're talking about public health and safety.
6:47 And then, you know, I think that's –
6:51 it tracks for me complete streets, ADA transition plan,
6:54 and Lakewood Community Health capital needs assessment
6:57 implementation.
7:00 Well, not actually.
7:02 Big N needs assessment implementation.
7:06 But isn't Lakewood Community Health needs programmatic
7:09 as opposed to capital?
7:11 So that's an issue to consider or address.
7:16 That's number one.
7:17 Number two, just as an observation from my colleagues,
7:20 you know, I do think in our budgeting we could improve
7:24 by being strategic and giving ourselves periodic,
7:29 whether that's annual or some other time basis,
7:33 check-ins on our use of funds,
7:35 just as the chair is talking about.
7:37 Another example is the NOPEC funds.
7:39 NOPEC funds have been doing great programs
7:41 for quite some time.
7:42 They've been doing the same program for quite some time.
7:45 Maybe they should, but maybe they shouldn't.
7:47 What we typically consider, though,
7:50 is a piece of legislation proposed by the administration
7:53 that assumes that we are going to continue the use of those
7:57 NOPEC funds for what we've been doing with them for 10 years.
8:01 And I think as, you know,
8:03 part of the decision-making at City Hall for the use of
8:07 resources from time to time,
8:08 I do agree we should be asking ourselves,
8:10 hey, let's check our assumptions.
8:13 What might we make resource prioritization decisions
8:18 around and for?
8:20 So last little comment for me on this.
8:23 So this is a new source of funds that's great.
8:26 I do think we originally envisioned when this was
8:31 medical marijuana a public health component.
8:35 More recently we've expanded the expectation around both
8:41 complete streets and ADA implementation.
8:43 So these are all great.
8:47 Should we be thinking about these funds as new
8:51 improvements or to backfill long-standing needs?
8:54 So we just had an important conversation about county
8:56 cuts, at least for now,
8:58 to important mental health services.
9:01 It certainly could be a worthy use of these funds.
9:06 That could all swell up every dollar for 20 years.
9:11 Now, if we want to make that decision,
9:14 we can have that discussion.
9:16 I don't know how we should be thinking about this.
9:18 I'm just kind of putting that question out there on the
9:20 table because these are new funds that could provide a
9:24 strategic opportunity to do some new things to meet some
9:27 new needs.
9:29 So to me that's what's exciting about the creation of
9:32 these funds, and thank you to my colleagues who put this
9:37 into the legislation.
9:39 Yeah, and I think to that point, thank you,
9:41 Councilman Bullock.
9:42 I agree with what you're saying,
9:44 and we may propose an amendment to make it a fund,
9:48 not a capital projects fund,
9:50 to address some of the concerns you talked about.
9:52 Would that, from the law director's standpoint and the
9:55 finance director, is that what we need to do?
9:59 Yes, Mr. Chair, thank you.
10:01 We were having the same discussion.
10:05 We can always say other capital improvements and
10:13 operations related to accessibility, equity,
10:19 wellness, and human services,
10:21 just to bring that scope into this.
10:25 Yeah, so where do you propose that language at?
10:29 In Section C?
10:30 I'm talking about Section A that says,
10:33 there is hereby established a capital projects fund.
10:35 I'm wondering if we just put established a fund.
10:39 I can show you my drafting.
10:41 Okay.
10:42 Mr. Chair, it's exactly what you just said.
10:44 Okay.
10:45 Okay, so first thing,
10:50 I will make a motion to delete capital projects from
10:53 Subsection A.
10:54 Second.
10:57 Motion seconded.
10:58 Is there a discussion?
11:00 All those in favor, say aye.
11:02 Aye.
11:03 Aye.
11:04 Okay, and then the next thing, Councilmember Bullock,
11:06 I think that's why this reporting is so important.
11:10 So, and that's where, and I often, you know,
11:13 sometimes when I'm really bored,
11:15 I read the codified ordinances and establishment of the
11:18 finance department and our charter and all those things.
11:20 And if we ever wanted an analysis of a fund,
11:23 we simply would just put a communication on the docket
11:25 saying, hey, what are we spending out of the DARE fund?
11:30 There's a DARE fund.
11:31 You could just email me.
11:32 Yeah, that too.
11:34 I'm a lawyer.
11:35 So we do things.
11:37 Director Vargo knows.
11:38 You can email everyone on council then.
11:42 But so we have those rights.
11:44 I do think in this instance,
11:46 this is unique in the sense that it is new revenue.
11:49 And we are putting some outer bounds of how they can,
11:53 how the funds can be spent.
11:54 So I think we want to know how they were spent and how it
11:57 impacts the rest of the budget and then how we may refine the
12:01 boundaries of the allowable expenses,
12:03 I think from a policy perspective.
12:06 So if the finance director will commit,
12:11 I think we could put this in text of the ordinance.
12:13 I'd prefer that we just got, you know,
12:15 kind of coming down the record that the next three years
12:18 we'll get some analysis of it and the communication on the
12:21 docket at the end of, you know, March, you know, when books close.
12:26 So we can see and then refer to committee and have discussion about
12:29 it, I think would be very helpful.
12:32 Would that be something that the committee wants or helpful?
12:39 Yes, Mr. Chair, from me,
12:42 the timing might need some thought because we go into budgeting for
12:48 the next year earlier than March.
12:52 So we'll be doing a March look back at the previous year,
12:55 but we'll already be in the cycle or the current year,
12:59 which we would have started really around Thanksgiving.
13:02 So if we figure out the timing.
13:05 Well, one, I guess to Director Mahoney,
13:07 one would be the time that you feel like you could adequately
13:10 drop a communication that you'd be ready to discuss in committee
13:14 kind of where these funds are going.
13:16 Well, it would be part of the budget document.
13:21 The budget document is, this is where I,
13:25 you're technically correct,
13:27 but I think that there is a benefit in a separate discussion
13:31 aside as it relates to this particular one.
13:36 So maybe as part of the budget discussions in the fall,
13:43 how the money,
13:44 I don't see us spending too much of this this year, to be honest,
13:47 but you know, as part of the,
13:50 when that section of the budget comes up and analysis of,
13:56 I think that probably would be the best time because then if
13:59 council wants to direct the funds specifically for the next
14:04 year, that probably would be the best timing.
14:07 So along with the budget discussion.
14:15 Yeah, I'm almost looking for a look back as it could.
14:19 Yes, because I do think that it will be included in the
14:21 budget.
14:22 I mean, our we're here till midnight.
14:25 And, you know, no, when we do the budget and it's also,
14:32 you know, year end for me and my day job and, you know,
14:35 it's probably the most stressful time to be on council during the
14:38 budget season.
14:39 And so sometimes I think we lose horse from the trees.
14:43 And that's why I'm proposing more of a look back.
14:47 And as we saw this year, we can always amend the budget.
14:50 We've done so many times to director,
14:52 my honey's chagrin, I think.
14:54 So it's possible for us to do that.
14:56 So I do, I would suggest after,
14:59 cause this is more of a prospective look back so that we
15:03 can then think about how we want to,
15:05 cause then anytime we can change the authorized expenditures,
15:08 right?
15:09 So that's where I think after the close of the year council
15:12 person.
15:13 Thank you.
15:14 Yeah,
15:15 I think there's kind of two things because we're just
15:18 creating it this year to understand the timing in some
15:21 ways. And then we've also talked about trying to have a
15:26 early start with council priorities and working with the
15:29 finance department prior to going into the budget book
15:33 creation.
15:34 So that would be a time also to be looking at as director
15:37 Mooney mentioned, since these,
15:39 these funds were not necessarily anticipated in our 2026
15:42 budget,
15:43 because we didn't know if and when we were going to get
15:45 them as we heard at the last committee meeting from
15:49 director Barry and the meeting right before this one from
15:53 assistant director Jason about the needs and human
15:56 services regarding the mental health,
15:59 do the county cuts.
16:00 If that was something that we wanted to use,
16:02 that they were used on this year.
16:04 So I feel like this year is sort of maybe a year to
16:08 establish the best practice and discover it together a
16:11 little bit is that if we are,
16:13 we won't necessarily have a look back too much.
16:17 Maybe we will,
16:18 in which case we'd want to hear about that from
16:20 director Mooney and you know,
16:22 but if we are thinking as we're heading into our
16:26 budget priorities and getting those with finance,
16:29 that would also be a time to be like,
16:31 Hey, have you used any of this yet?
16:33 And then in the,
16:35 maybe in the next year would also be a look back of
16:38 how were they used last year?
16:40 How do we want to use them this year?
16:41 If that makes sense.
16:42 So that timing and we need to work that out with
16:46 finance,
16:47 but prior to the budget book creation,
16:50 we had talked about having those council priorities
16:52 and more communications that might be a time to do
16:55 both things.
16:59 Yes.
17:00 So I mean,
17:03 I think what we're asking for director Mooney is
17:05 a distinct communication on the Canada's fund.
17:07 It's separate from the budget.
17:10 So if you can commit to doing that and having
17:12 those conversations,
17:13 then I think I am comfortable.
17:16 So is that fair?
17:17 Sure.
17:18 And actually that,
17:19 I know you had originally mentioned March,
17:22 March,
17:23 April would probably time up with what I had
17:26 suggested council priorities to be starting to
17:29 be communicated in June.
17:31 So if you get the report in March or April
17:34 on cannabis funds,
17:35 then you could include that in your council
17:38 priorities discussion in June.
17:44 And then at this point,
17:45 I'll take comments on C,
17:47 which is really the meat and potatoes of this.
17:51 So as you can see,
17:52 the proposed amendment,
17:54 which I believe was formed by council person
17:56 street bigs kind of addition.
18:02 Any comments from the committee on that
18:06 council person street big.
18:07 Thank you.
18:10 It could have been my typo.
18:11 It could have been a clerk typo,
18:13 but the N in needs needs to be capitalized and
18:18 Lakewood community health needs assessment,
18:20 which is a specific document.
18:22 And then also right after that,
18:24 because that,
18:25 that document is actually exactly what it says.
18:28 It's an assessment.
18:30 There's an additional document that goes with it.
18:33 That is the Lakewood action plan that then
18:36 takes us into,
18:40 I mean,
18:41 exactly here on the,
18:42 on the last page is moving from assessment to action.
18:46 And I think that that's where to your question too,
18:49 Mr. Book,
18:50 this is where we start to get into like more specifics on
18:53 what,
18:54 what are we looking to fund as opposed to just ideas of
18:58 funding.
18:59 So I'd like to make an amendment to my amendment and
19:03 after assessment add,
19:06 and Lakewood action plan implementation as well as
19:11 capitalize the end.
19:12 Thank you.
19:13 Yes.
19:14 So there's a motion to have it read and Lakewood
19:19 community health needs capital on assessment and
19:23 Lakewood action plan implementation.
19:26 Correct.
19:27 Okay.
19:28 So the motion has been made.
19:29 I will second that motion.
19:30 Any discussion?
19:32 All those in favor say aye.
19:34 Aye.
19:36 So now that we have this, I do think that this is,
19:39 you know,
19:40 we're kind of building the plane as we're flying the
19:42 state decided to be magnanimous and that's the
19:45 money,
19:46 which is good.
19:48 But I'm interested to see where this goes.
19:50 Cause I think council book brings up some complaints
19:52 about,
19:53 you know,
19:54 does it just go into the giant water in the ocean
19:57 or are you going to try to fill a vessel somewhere
20:00 for a particular need?
20:03 And this might be too broad.
20:04 We might need to tighten this up or we might need
20:06 to expand it.
20:07 So I think we don't know from a policy perspective.
20:10 Any other thoughts before we go?
20:15 Thank you, Mr. Chair.
20:18 Director Mahoney and I are discussing and I have
20:21 to apologize.
20:24 We're not specifically knowledgeable of the
20:28 community health needs assessment.
20:30 I apologize.
20:31 But here's my question.
20:32 The prior committee meeting that we had,
20:37 and we've heard from Director Berry at Human
20:40 Services about the mental health needs and the
20:42 cuts from the county.
20:46 To support human services on those issues,
20:50 Director Berry spoke about and the assistant
20:52 or the associate director also spoke about,
20:57 are we talking about one and the same thing or
20:59 do we need to add what Director Berry was
21:01 talking about?
21:02 So I would think that public health and safety
21:08 and the Lakewood community health needs
21:11 assessment would cover it and the addition that
21:15 Councilperson Scherbig made would cover that.
21:19 But welcome.
21:22 From a legislative intent perspective,
21:24 it is intended to cover it.
21:26 Whether the language does or not is another
21:29 question.
21:30 We could get into the chat,
21:36 which is directed out of that needs assessment,
21:42 that group that came out of that needs
21:44 assessment and their annual report.
21:47 I mean, we could get that detailed.
21:49 But I think if we say for public health and
21:54 safety issues, including complete streets,
21:59 including these specific documents,
22:02 not just, not solely, right?
22:07 Including these documents that we are
22:10 identifying at this moment.
22:13 And then to your point, Chair Baker,
22:17 maybe we need to expand that further next
22:20 year.
22:21 Maybe we need to add more plans in there.
22:24 But I think at this point,
22:26 it captures the essence of what we're
22:28 looking for with health and safety-related
22:30 issues within the city, including these
22:34 things.
22:35 Spoken like my legislation.
22:40 Thank you.
22:42 It's a good question that the law
22:44 director and the finance clerk raise.
22:46 It's a technical document.
22:48 It's on our website.
22:49 It's done every five years or thereabouts.
22:51 I'm looking right now.
22:52 I don't know if the council clerk is
22:54 calling it up.
22:56 Never mind if you're doing so well.
22:58 Sorry.
22:59 There's a 2022 version of the document
23:01 and it's a global assessment and it
23:03 includes mental health along with
23:07 behavioral health and nutrition and
23:09 physical activity and safety at home
23:12 and safety at workplace.
23:14 So it's pretty comprehensive.
23:16 Those things used to be conducted by
23:20 Lakewood Hospital and I think in the
23:22 closure of Lakewood Hospital now the
23:24 facility is taken on.
23:25 I'm in long way of agreeing with my
23:27 colleague that I'm pretty sure that it
23:30 will capture all the work that the
23:33 Human Services Department does.
23:37 Thank you.
23:38 That's a fair statement from my colleague.
23:41 I think maybe not every single thing
23:44 that they do but in the specific
23:48 discussion of the lost revenue from
23:53 the county in order to provide the
23:55 mental health services that was
23:57 specifically mentioned in the report
24:00 tonight and in the work of TAD and
24:03 the public health language there but
24:06 we do need to still take out the
24:08 capital improvements.
24:09 You know what I thought about that.
24:11 Thank you for that and I do think
24:13 that it could be, it says including
24:18 and then it includes capital
24:20 improvement.
24:22 So I actually think it's okay but
24:25 First of all, thanks for the
24:28 explanation of the assessment.
24:31 That's sufficient for Director
24:35 Mahoney and me and certainly your
24:37 statement of intent is good.
24:40 It's fine.
24:41 We are good with it and if capital
24:44 improvements stays as a because it's
24:47 just an inclusion that's fine maybe
24:49 just to eliminate any question about
24:52 Director Barry's use of some of these
24:54 funds even though it's in the
24:56 including clause we could say and
24:58 other capital improvements and
25:00 operations related to those items.
25:04 Yeah.
25:05 So I'll make a motion to include
25:07 and operations in between capital
25:09 improvements and related.
25:11 Second.
25:12 Motion is made.
25:13 Any discussion?
25:15 Clerk love us tonight.
25:17 Council.
25:23 This is more just a question.
25:25 I agree with the assessment that
25:27 this should this should serve the
25:29 purpose with the change we've made.
25:31 I know in a lot of times when you
25:33 see this sort of verbiage you see
25:35 including but not limited to is
25:37 that redundant in this case to add
25:39 that I mean is it implied that it's
25:41 not limited to you just by saying
25:43 including I guess more of a
25:45 redundant in clarification as opposed
25:47 to suggestion.
25:49 I'm here for it though.
25:51 Councilman let's make the lawyers
25:53 earn their little hour
25:55 for this
25:57 interpretation.
26:01 Thank you through the chair.
26:03 You see including but not
26:05 limited to
26:07 everywhere in legal documents
26:09 even though it's true.
26:11 It's verbose.
26:13 Maybe it stems from the fact that one
26:15 time lawyers drafting were
26:17 paid by the word.
26:19 I'm still are.
26:23 So
26:25 it's not necessary but it is certainly
26:27 standard to have that language.
26:29 I leave it to the committee.
26:33 Being concise shows respect
26:35 to your reader.
26:37 Let's not be verbose.
26:39 Works for me. Thank you for the clarification.
26:43 Any other thoughts? I think we have a
26:45 amended
26:47 substitute
26:49 currently before us.
26:51 Do we approve that motion?
26:53 We may not have.
26:55 Do we have a motion on the floor?
26:57 We do. And so the motion on the floor
26:59 you're right. Councilman Bixenstein
27:01 asked a question about it. So is there any other
27:03 questions on the motion to add
27:05 and operations?
27:07 No?
27:09 All those in favor say aye.
27:11 So now we have
27:13 an amended substitute
27:15 that I think we're ready
27:17 to refer out favorably to
27:19 full council. I will make
27:21 a motion to favorably refer
27:23 the amended substitute ordinance
27:25 15-2026 to full council.
27:27 Mr. Chair I got one question
27:29 before. Yes. Motion.
27:31 So now
27:33 as written I understand
27:35 what's authorized but how is an
27:37 expenditure actually made
27:39 and approved?
27:41 So right now
27:43 as written does this
27:45 require
27:47 any further legislation from council
27:49 or does this read such that the finance
27:51 director may
27:53 at the finance director's discretion
27:55 use
27:57 one percent
27:59 up to the full balance for any
28:01 named authorized purpose?
28:03 Actually
28:05 no. I'll need another
28:07 amended appropriation ordinance
28:09 so I can file that with the county.
28:11 So that was
28:13 my question. Do you want me to
28:15 have that prepared
28:17 alongside
28:19 this so council would approve
28:21 the fund and establish the fund
28:23 and then right after
28:25 also the same night
28:27 could be to appropriate
28:29 the funds from the fund.
28:33 Sure. Yeah.
28:35 I won't be here on the 6th. It's our spring break
28:37 but might not be here
28:39 either but
28:41 Jessica will be.
28:43 Mr. Chair thank you finance
28:45 director for clarifying that that makes sense.
28:47 So
28:49 that
28:51 thing gives us an opportunity to do
28:53 to follow through on and make some
28:55 self-aware explicit
28:57 decision by
28:59 in partnership with the mayor and
29:01 council together say
29:03 okay we now have
29:05 fund, we now have
29:07 some priorities for the fund
29:09 and there's dollars in the fund
29:11 what would we what do we want
29:13 to do in budget year 2026 with those funds
29:15 and I don't claim to
29:17 be ready right this moment to
29:19 to say that
29:21 we've got a couple possibilities
29:23 but
29:27 and it sounds as if the administration
29:29 is eager to
29:31 try to
29:33 at least partly
29:35 believe the financial deficit
29:37 in human services. Is that
29:39 an accurate statement? I'm not
29:41 totally clear on the
29:43 dollar amount of that so I'm not
29:45 eager to do anything
29:47 until I know the dollar amount. So I
29:49 think it's a good idea to have
29:51 a vehicle ready
29:53 for us to have that discussion
29:55 but not pre
29:57 suppose that we know the answer
29:59 to it. That's just my opinion
30:01 council members
30:03 have more clarity about
30:05 the use of these funds in
30:07 year one
30:09 and last point for me
30:11 we have 750
30:13 thousand or thereabouts. Does that represent
30:15 two or three years worth of revenues
30:17 going forward? It's about
30:19 16 months if I'm
30:21 remembering correctly. That might
30:23 also shape our thinking. In other words
30:25 do we
30:27 do we try to
30:29 obligate all of those funds right away?
30:31 Do we hold some to be a strategic
30:33 reserve and then what's a sustainable
30:35 rate of expenditure
30:37 on an annual basis?
30:39 So all those things. I mean I'd welcome the
30:41 discussion. What I'm
30:43 really trying to do is challenge myself and all
30:45 of us to think this through
30:47 one step
30:49 at a time and be thoughtful.
30:51 Yes and we're getting a new
30:53 dispensary and another one's closing
30:55 so does that affect
30:57 access?
30:59 I don't know.
31:01 So standard wellness is
31:03 moving into where
31:05 Harry Buffalo previously was
31:07 and then the rise dispensary
31:09 is moving out.
31:11 There still will be two in Lakewood
31:13 but a
31:15 bigger one square footage
31:17 wise will be on the west end.
31:21 So I have the motion
31:23 on the floor to favorably refer.
31:25 Sounds like we will get a companion
31:27 appropriation.
31:29 Motion is made in second. Any discussion?
31:33 All those in favor say aye. Aye.
31:35 Okay the second
31:37 order of business is
31:39 ordinance 27, 2025
31:43 which was to
31:45 repeal. Actually
31:47 we may need to change that language a little bit of
31:49 repeal since we have determined
31:51 that we might want to change the language a little bit.
31:57 We discussed last meeting
31:59 the intention to basically
32:01 make the finance committee
32:03 the audit committee
32:07 and have a
32:09 finance committee hearing
32:11 where the auditor and the director of finance
32:13 would be available
32:15 to answer counsel's questions
32:17 and present the audit to
32:19 counsel.
32:21 But we wanted to sleep on it
32:23 think about it.
32:25 Also I think our
32:27 edits were new to the finance department
32:29 so wanted to get on time to think about it as well
32:31 also the law department.
32:35 The substitute version I think
32:37 is in Granicus.
32:41 I think, did I make a motion
32:43 last time or do we have to
32:45 get this substitute in?
32:49 Okay so I will make a motion to
32:51 substitute what is in Granicus
32:53 with changes that we discussed on the record
32:55 at the last meeting.
32:57 Motion's been made.
32:59 Is there a second?
33:01 Second. The motion made.
33:03 Any discussion?
33:05 All those in favor say
33:07 aye. Aye.
33:09 So now that the substitute is in
33:13 it's up on the screen so basically
33:15 it
33:19 you know still has the establishment
33:21 purpose of the audit committee
33:23 says the membership is just the finance committee
33:25 and then outlines
33:27 you know that by communication
33:29 the director of finance will provide
33:31 the audit
33:33 at least annually and have the
33:35 independent auditor available
33:37 to discuss in a public meeting.
33:43 And then you know doesn't need
33:45 bylaws because the finance committee
33:47 already exists and has
33:49 aligned its purpose
33:51 in the code
33:53 so it just has the general rules of operation
33:55 and outlines
33:57 what the intention is.
33:59 Any thoughts
34:01 from my colleagues about this?
34:03 Mr. Chair. Councilman Bullock?
34:05 Maybe you change repeal
34:07 in the opening title to amend
34:09 if you go all the way to the top.
34:11 Yeah I will make a motion
34:13 to amend
34:15 the substitute
34:23 by removing
34:25 repealing chapter 162
34:27 amending chapter 162.
34:29 Second. Motion to amend
34:31 any discussion?
34:35 All those in favor say aye.
34:37 Aye.
34:39 Then that
34:41 the amended substitute clerks
34:43 is now
34:45 before us.
34:49 Director Mahoney I know we talked
34:51 about this a lot on the floor at our last meeting
34:53 but
34:55 is this acceptable
34:57 for a process?
34:59 Sure the only comment
35:01 I would have is that often
35:03 at the end of an audit
35:05 I or
35:07 it's usually myself
35:09 sometimes the auditors do but it's usually
35:11 myself
35:13 sends out a communication whether or not
35:15 an exit conference
35:17 is desired. I think this is
35:19 in essence the exit conference
35:21 and often
35:23 after a few years
35:25 people say
35:27 we don't need an exit conference.
35:29 So I don't know
35:31 if you want to use that word
35:33 the exit conference
35:35 I mean this makes it mandatory
35:37 no matter
35:41 and I'm fine with that
35:43 if council is fine with that.
35:45 We have an audit every year right?
35:47 Yes.
35:49 And I know
35:51 and by the way
35:53 I think I speak for all of us when I say we're thankful
35:55 we are recognized
35:57 as
35:59 elite in the state of Ohio and that's
36:01 under your leadership and previous directors
36:03 and I you know there are other
36:05 communities that
36:07 haven't had an audit in multiple years
36:09 which is amazing to me.
36:11 No every city has an audit
36:13 every year.
36:15 They don't win that
36:17 get that award.
36:19 Well no like I think
36:21 a neighboring community at Eastside has had
36:23 challenges with their audits and they have
36:25 not been completed multiple
36:27 years in a row.
36:31 And so I you know want to commend
36:33 your department but also you know
36:35 the code is for
36:37 our successors
36:39 not necessarily for us.
36:41 So I'd like to
36:43 you know my intention here is to kind of codify
36:45 the best practices.
36:47 And I think that
36:49 even if we don't call it an exit
36:51 whatever you just said
36:53 exit conference I think that it can be
36:55 implied that that's what it is and the nomenclature might
36:57 change in the future.
37:01 Any other thoughts?
37:03 Councilperson Keppel.
37:05 Thank you.
37:07 Yeah I think that that's right
37:09 in some of our previous conversation too
37:11 was part of the ideas
37:13 you know we hope
37:15 it's a relatively no offense boring
37:17 conversation but
37:19 that you know we
37:21 are exciting.
37:23 But it is I think part
37:25 of this is also just
37:27 you know we talked about previously is
37:29 instead of having you know maybe
37:31 an audit committee that might meet on a Tuesday
37:33 afternoon with no one around
37:35 but that if we have it in a finance committee
37:37 it's recorded, it's broadcast
37:39 no one
37:41 everyone has the opportunity
37:43 to see that level of transparency
37:45 and any members of the public that wanted to
37:47 see it or
37:49 come and provide public
37:51 comment or ask us questions
37:53 once it's docketed
37:55 would have that opportunity. So I think it's
37:57 a good practice even if it
37:59 might not seem totally
38:01 necessary given our current
38:03 you know our longstanding
38:05 good work from the finance department
38:07 but it's a good
38:09 best practice just to show our work.
38:13 Fine with me.
38:15 Great.
38:17 Any other thoughts?
38:19 Then I will make a motion to favorably
38:21 refer the amended substitute
38:23 to full council for approval.
38:25 Second.
38:27 Motion made. Second.
38:29 Any discussion?
38:31 All those in favor say aye. Aye.
38:33 With that
38:35 wonderful bell and no further
38:37 matters that come before
38:39 the finance committee
38:41 this meeting is adjourned. Thank you.