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Rules & Ordinances Committee — 2025-11-03

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0:30Approval of the minutes of the October 20, 2025 meeting of the Rules & Ordinances Committee
Motion type(s) spoken: — · no passage phrase heard by ASR
  • 0:41 “Can I, can I get a motion? So moved. Moved to accept. Thank you. Second. Okay, so we”
1:02RESOLUTION 2025-60 - A RESOLUTION to take effect immediately provided it receives the affirmative vote of at least two thirds of the members of Council, or otherwise to take effect and be in force after the earliest period allowed by law, approving the ame
Motion type(s) spoken: amend, refer · no passage phrase heard by ASR · ASR heard nay/opposed/abstain wording — verify
  • 22:23 “we could move to amend them and then do it audibly”
  • 22:26 “and then substitute and then move to refer out”
  • 24:02 “and I need a second, or did you make that motion?”
  • 24:54 “Second.”
  • 14:26 “as opposed to should.”
  • 17:08 “as opposed to just the whole 15 of you.”

Full ASR transcript

0:00 Okay, we're going to go ahead and get started with the, I'm going to call to
0:06 order, the meeting of the Rules and Ordinances Committee. Myself is here and
0:12 along with chair, along with committee members, Councilwoman Marks and
0:17 Councilman Evans. And then we are joined by our Youth Council and their
0:24 advisor, Amy, and their Council liaison is Councilman Stripik. So the first order
0:31 of business we're going to do is approval of the minutes of the October
0:35 20th, 2025 meeting of the Rules and Ordinances Committee.
0:41 Can I, can I get a motion? So moved. Moved to accept. Thank you. Second. Okay, so we
0:56 have approved the Rules and Ordinances minutes from October 20th. So we're
1:02 going to dig right in into resolution 2025-60, which is in regards to updating
1:12 of the rules for the Youth Council. And since we have you all here, I am going
1:18 to turn the floor over to you all. We do have an Exhibit A and then we
1:25 also have an additional document that was sent to us that explains
1:30 everything. So I'm going to just turn over everything over to you all and help
1:36 talk us through what it is that you're trying to do with these updates. Hello?
1:43 Okay, so the primary purpose of these amendments was we realized that the
1:49 bylaws didn't really match up with what we needed as a council as of
1:56 currents. Like they needed to be updated with our current functionings
2:00 of the council. So starting with Article 2, Section 4A, we thought the current
2:07 wording was overly strict with the meetings. As high school students, we're
2:13 all extremely busy and things can happen and get in the way and, you
2:17 know, you can miss two meetings. So we've decided we would like to amend
2:21 it to have a review of a person's attendance if they've missed too many
2:26 meetings, unexcused, with through the executive meetings. And then that can
2:34 happen. That will be how we decide if someone needs to step down from the
2:40 council. Just because a lot of the people on our council are extremely busy
2:44 people. They're very dedicated students and they're dedicated to a lot of
2:47 things. And we want to keep in mind their schedules and we also want to say
2:52 that this is council, like it's top priority, but we do understand that
2:56 family events happen, other school events happen, and we want to be
3:00 understanding and slightly more flexible of that moving forward. And then
3:07 Article 2, Section 6, this is just to help us more flexibility with
3:12 inducting new members. We've noticed it's searching for and interviewing
3:17 applicants can take a lot more time than I think was originally thought. Just
3:22 because we have to make the posters, put up the posters, and then give the
3:25 applicants enough time to fill out. High school students, I said, they're
3:29 very busy. Sometimes they don't fill out things. It takes them a while and
3:32 then from there we have to choose an interview. It can be a way longer
3:35 process. So the rewarding of that is just to kind of
3:42 help us. It changes it from the first meeting of the year to the first
3:45 regularly scheduled meeting after interviews have been conducted to kind
3:49 of give us that flexibility if we need more time. We're probably going to try
3:53 and get interviews done as soon as possible. I mean, as in this case, we
3:56 did it quite speedily, but just in case something happens, we would like
4:01 to have that flexibility. And then with Article 3, Section 1, this is, we
4:09 just wanted to add in something in case the officer's seat becomes vacant in
4:14 the middle of a council year, just because there wasn't something previously
4:18 added there. We haven't had an issue with an officer becoming vacant, but
4:22 because we're still in the beginning years of this, we want to put
4:25 something forth in case that does happen and to make sure things
4:28 don't go into chaos. And then Article 3, Section 2A, it calls for
4:36 the meetings to be called at the top of the hour, but things usually don't
4:40 happen at the top of the hour. Usually it's like 6.03, 6.02 because
4:45 of traffic or just, you know, we have to meet Quora and people come
4:48 in like a minute late. So we just want to reward that to make
4:52 it more clear, like it's when we meet Quora, when everyone's there
4:56 and we can call the meeting to order. Article 3, Sections 2D and 2G are,
5:04 they provide clarity for when all of our officers are absent,
5:07 which will probably never happen, but in worst case scenario, we do
5:12 want to have a plan set forth. And then Article 4, Section 4A,
5:20 this is mostly due to the fact that we don't have our seats,
5:23 sometimes we don't have our seats full all of the time.
5:26 We try our best to keep it completely full council, but there have
5:28 been times where people have stepped down or right before, you know,
5:32 we get a new batch of like interviewees and people on the council.
5:36 So we just wanted to clarify and say, it doesn't have to be
5:40 specifically eight, it just has to be a simple majority of the
5:44 current amount of members on the council because there's not always
5:47 going to be exactly 15, as much as we'd like it to be.
5:51 And then Article 4, Section 4B, our vice chair wanted to clarify
5:55 the grammar on that. I don't know what his nitpick was.
6:01 OK, that was just a grammar clarification.
6:04 And then Article 4, Section 5, this current wording requires
6:12 the Lakewood Community Relations Advisory Commission to advise
6:15 the Lakewood Youth Council, which doesn't happen.
6:18 We're currently being advised by Ms. Cindy Shreveage.
6:20 So we just wanted to reword that as any city council member
6:25 to kind of, you know, word things as how they have been going.
6:31 And then Article 5, Section 1E, the current bylaws give no method
6:37 for dissolving standing committees, so there might be times
6:41 where standing committees become no longer necessary.
6:43 So we wanted to put forth a way to dissolve a standing committee
6:48 if it is no longer necessary.
6:50 And then Section 5, Article 5, Section 2A, I think this was just
6:57 a clarification. I think it says, like, full council.
7:04 We just wanted to put that it's all everyone that's there
7:07 at the meeting, so the current core of the people that are meeting
7:11 would be the unanimous vote instead of just everyone,
7:14 all 15 members of the council.
7:17 And then Article 5, Section 2C would be improved procedure
7:23 for selection of special committees.
7:25 We put selection of special committees mostly in the hands
7:29 of the committee chair because we feel that would be a more
7:33 efficient way of doing that.
7:34 If there are outside council members that want to be
7:36 on the committee, that would then go to the chair
7:39 of the entire council, but we like to put trust
7:41 in our committee chairs because it helps things move along faster
7:45 and more efficiently.
7:46 And that is all.
7:48 Thank you.
7:49 Thank you.
7:51 So great job going through all of that.
7:53 I think all of these make sense.
7:56 I did have a question about your attendance.
7:59 I mean, I can understand about being busy
8:03 and busy lives and everything.
8:05 So and I definitely understand unexcused absences are just
8:10 not good and when students get out into,
8:16 I don't want to say real world, but they get out,
8:18 you know, they're done with high school
8:20 when you all are done, you know,
8:21 unexcused absences in the workplace
8:23 or any other commitments are not tolerable.
8:25 So it's a great lesson to know that yes,
8:28 you might be volunteering,
8:29 but it's important that you inform someone
8:30 if you're going to not be available.
8:33 So is there like unlimited excused absences
8:37 or is that one of those things
8:39 where it gets evaluated where maybe it's a conversation
8:42 that you have with that member that, hey, you know,
8:45 it's okay if you don't necessarily have the time
8:48 to commit to this.
8:50 So I don't know if you've thought about that
8:52 or had those conversations.
8:55 That's very important to us in the interview process.
8:58 When we're interviewing them,
8:59 we ask them that they have enough time
9:03 and they also have to fill out an excused absence
9:06 two weeks prior.
9:07 So it's a very, to get an excused absence,
9:10 it is, it takes a lot of, it's a process.
9:14 It's something that we think through
9:15 and if they don't fill out that form in two weeks,
9:19 don't give us sufficient notice.
9:20 It is an unexcused absence
9:22 so you can only have two of those.
9:24 So I would say we have gotten a lot stricter
9:26 on our attendance policy.
9:28 We do let members know and coming in like,
9:30 hey, this is serious.
9:31 You do have to be here as much as possible.
9:35 And that's kind of how we approach it.
9:37 We haven't had a lot of issues with attendance recently
9:40 although I feel like it's gotten a bit better.
9:42 Good, good.
9:44 I don't have anything else.
9:45 I do have some edits.
9:46 I don't know if other committee members
9:49 have any comments they would like to, yeah, go ahead.
9:57 Well, I'm impressed with how you've gone through
10:01 the organization of your committee
10:03 and done a good job of coordinating things
10:06 and looking at what could make your committee better,
10:09 your council better.
10:10 And it is a commitment that we certainly
10:13 that we make on city council when we stand for a position.
10:18 As your fellow students should understand
10:21 that the commitment to attendance is very important
10:24 in order for you to do the job that you're looking
10:27 to do.
10:28 So I think it's great that you clarify that in here
10:31 and that when you're interviewing them,
10:33 students understand what that commitment means.
10:36 I think you've done a good job of putting this together.
10:39 Nice work.
10:44 Yeah, I just, I wanna applaud you guys
10:45 for all the work you undertook to do this.
10:48 This is a huge initiative.
10:51 And this is important work
10:52 that all of us do from time to time.
10:54 That's really important to the work we do in governance
10:57 is making sure we go through from time to time
10:59 and take a look at the rules by which we operate
11:02 and make sure they're working for us
11:04 and working for our constituents
11:06 and that we're working efficiently in the best we can.
11:08 So I applaud you for the initiative.
11:11 Thank you for taking the time.
11:12 And I'm certainly interested to hear
11:13 what Councilperson Striebig thinks this year.
11:16 Worked with a lot,
11:17 but there's a lot of great stuff in here
11:19 that makes a lot of sense.
11:20 So just thank you.
11:21 Appreciate it.
11:26 Thank you.
11:28 I had a chance to sit down and really look at this
11:31 today and I wanted to make a couple comments
11:33 and make a couple suggestions along the way here.
11:36 So I'm gonna dive right into article one
11:39 with the purpose of the group.
11:41 And I wanted to point out to you
11:43 that you're meeting the topics
11:47 regarding youth health and safety.
11:49 I'm on line three at the end of line three
11:52 with your mental health committee.
11:54 I think you're covering that there.
11:56 And then the, not the next one,
11:59 the one after that, community relations
12:01 and community outreach.
12:02 I think you have a committee for that as well.
12:06 But in that middle one there,
12:07 youth advocacy might be a good committee to consider.
12:13 And I'm not sure where that would go,
12:15 but I think some of you are advocates
12:17 for a number of different things in your lives.
12:20 And that might be another good committee
12:24 to consider there.
12:26 Great.
12:28 I also thought establishing
12:31 public and private partnerships
12:33 between the council and local enterprises.
12:35 Mel, I know that you've met with somebody
12:37 that was working with the YMCA
12:39 to talk about mental health there.
12:41 So I think that any kind of work
12:43 that collaborates, like it says,
12:44 collaborates with nonprofit organizations
12:46 across the community.
12:47 And I think you guys are kind of scratching
12:49 the surface with that,
12:50 but maybe that's another area
12:52 where you could look at even
12:55 the Healthy Lakewood Foundation
12:56 might be a good person to invite into a meeting
12:59 and have conversations there.
13:02 And then in article two,
13:03 there seems to be a little bit of margin error here.
13:09 And number C needs to go over a little bit to the left.
13:14 And then in section two,
13:16 it looks like A is hanging out there
13:18 at the end of line two.
13:21 And then I think A after the first paragraph
13:25 maybe should be B,
13:27 or even B could be half of A there.
13:32 So I'm looking at A as the chair, vice chair,
13:36 secretary and vice secretary
13:38 will conduct the in-person interviews
13:40 and will decide on the final slate of candidates.
13:42 That's one thing, I think.
13:44 And then B could be the final slate of candidates
13:47 is subject to approval
13:49 by a quorum of the Lakewood Youth Council.
13:51 See how those are two different things.
13:52 I think that needs to be split.
13:55 And then that A there would become a C, okay?
13:59 And then in section three,
14:01 again, just some indentation corrections there.
14:05 And then number four,
14:07 I wanted to kind of really get into a conversation
14:09 with you about the vacancies.
14:12 Because the word should is a little concerning to me,
14:16 especially when you're talking about asking people
14:19 that you've done all this work with to now step down.
14:23 And I think maybe you should consider the word will
14:26 as opposed to should.
14:28 So in that, in section A where it says
14:32 warnings should be presented,
14:36 pick a number, like two warnings will be presented,
14:40 or a warning.
14:41 If you wanna be a little more flexible,
14:43 like I hear what you're saying,
14:45 you're all very busy people
14:47 and doing a million different things.
14:48 I totally get it.
14:49 But I think if you were to say
14:50 will be presented before direct action is taken.
14:54 And then in B, a review will be conducted
14:58 by the executive committee.
15:00 And again, at the discretion of is a little bit,
15:03 a little bit wishy washy there.
15:05 So maybe more of a, this is what we're gonna do.
15:08 We're gonna give you two warnings
15:11 before we're gonna take action.
15:13 And then a review is going to be made
15:15 by the executive committee.
15:17 And then decisions will be made from there.
15:20 Because I still think that the review in and of itself
15:23 will allow you to either, okay,
15:25 this is not acceptable or,
15:29 oh my gosh, something horrific happened to their family
15:31 or whatever that is, right?
15:33 And we have to make an exception for this.
15:37 And then in I,
15:40 two I and three I there,
15:42 I think that should be accumulated past tense,
15:46 accumulated a total of two unexcused absences.
15:49 Any thoughts on any of that?
15:53 I think we would be amendable to all of that,
15:57 changing it to will,
15:58 the change in the accumulating and fixing the formats.
16:03 Yeah, I think that should all be totally okay with us.
16:05 Okay, cool.
16:07 And then I go down into section five
16:09 and I see, or section six rather,
16:13 in B where, or C, the last one,
16:16 applicants will be inaugurated as promptly as possible.
16:18 And I love the flexibility there.
16:20 I think that that's absolutely appropriate
16:22 for you to say that there.
16:23 I don't think that that needs to be,
16:25 will be on the state or anything like that,
16:26 because again, you need some flexibility there.
16:29 And then just a couple indentations in article three.
16:35 And again, in section two down there,
16:37 the flexibility of starting the meeting.
16:42 Roughly about a quarter after,
16:44 we're gonna start the meeting.
16:45 I don't think it needs to be promptly at.
16:47 I totally agree with that.
16:48 The next two seem to be procedural.
16:51 That's not a problem for me.
16:53 In section four, four, under procedure,
16:58 a simple majority of the total number of active members.
17:04 I think that you may wanna put in there
17:06 in attendance for the meeting,
17:08 as opposed to just the whole 15 of you.
17:11 You wanna say, because you're taking out the eight,
17:14 the number eight, right?
17:16 Because you wanna say, we might not all be there,
17:19 so we don't wanna be tied down to the number eight.
17:22 You may just wanna see, say,
17:24 the number of people that are at the meeting
17:26 are gonna make this decision.
17:27 So that's something to consider there.
17:30 And then, I understand the idea
17:35 to correct maybe the English there,
17:41 but I think by doing that,
17:43 you may be losing the essence of this idea
17:46 that in this, because now it sounds a little bit
17:49 bullying to me on this first one.
17:51 The first priority in the works of the council
17:54 shall be to strive for consensus.
17:57 And I don't know that that's necessarily always
18:01 what you wanna say there,
18:01 because you all have conversations.
18:04 You're all, you know, some are in agreement,
18:06 some are in disagreement,
18:07 and I don't think that you're trying
18:08 to get everybody in agreement.
18:10 You're having a conversation,
18:12 and I like the way that it reads
18:13 without the correction that although the first priority
18:17 in the work of the council is to strive for consensus,
18:20 sure, we all wanna agree, but we may not.
18:24 You know, votes of the council will be valid
18:26 when authorized by an affirmative vote of the majority.
18:28 So you're taking a vote and understanding
18:30 that there may be some people that don't agree,
18:33 but you're gonna go with the majority.
18:34 So I don't know that that one needs to be changed.
18:38 And then just some other corrections on the margins there.
18:47 So I thought it was really good.
18:48 Just a couple comments from me on that.
18:52 Thank you.
18:54 I have just a couple minor edits.
18:58 So if we go to section, article two, section six,
19:07 six B, removing meeting then September,
19:16 just say no later than youth council September meeting.
19:20 So just a minor grammatical.
19:23 And then the only other one is section,
19:31 article four, section four C,
19:38 role, it should be R-O-L-E, just typo.
19:45 So this role will be used in above.
19:49 You're welcome.
19:55 We should be good with all those changes.
19:57 I do wanna say section four A says a simple majority
20:01 of the total number of active members
20:03 serving on the council because that's for quorum,
20:08 that's for starting the meeting.
20:09 If we're already in a meeting,
20:10 it's the simple majority of whoever's in the meeting
20:12 for a vote, just for some clarification.
20:16 Thank you.
20:17 But everything else that you said,
20:20 we should be amendable to that.
20:21 Thank you.
20:26 Madam Chair, thank you.
20:29 Thank you.
20:30 And that in terms of the quorum being met
20:33 by a majority of the members serving on the council
20:37 mirrors what this council does to make quorum
20:41 so that makes sense to me.
20:46 Just to make sure that we can, as we edit,
20:48 to make sure we can avoid this.
20:49 In section four A, you suggested that for I,
20:53 we should change accumulates to accumulated.
20:56 Should we do the same for number two as well?
21:03 Okay, thank you.
21:04 Yeah, I agree.
21:07 Thank you.
21:17 Madam Chair.
21:18 Yeah, by me.
21:19 We had discussed before about process here
21:22 with how to go through this.
21:23 There were a number of small changes there
21:28 and I think more than, no big deal,
21:31 but just a number of little things to change.
21:33 And so I'm gonna suggest that the process
21:35 might be that if the youth council members
21:39 be able to just do those in the document
21:42 and send it to the clerk's office,
21:43 then the clerks would be able to give that to us
21:47 as a substitute that we can introduce on the floor
21:51 if that's so desired.
21:54 I'm okay with that, if youth council's okay with that.
22:02 You have a deadline for, is it?
22:06 Oh, when do they need to send it to us or?
22:09 How anxious are you to get these?
22:11 Do you have a urgent, like?
22:16 Well, yeah, what we had discussed
22:20 prior to this meeting starting was
22:21 if there were like three changes,
22:23 we could move to amend them and then do it audibly
22:26 and then substitute and then move to refer out
22:30 of committee for adoption as that substitute version.
22:32 But there were more than I could keep track of
22:36 in my brain to be able to do that myself.
22:40 No, I don't want to speak for everybody else.
22:42 So it would make sense to get that on paper, I think.
22:48 But if you're anxious for it to be passed tonight,
22:51 then we can try to figure that out.
22:52 But if not, it can just come back to us
22:55 and we can substitute it and refer it back
22:57 to full council.
23:02 Yeah, it would just be,
23:07 we could actually, you could actually even make a motion
23:10 to amend with all those amendments
23:15 and then refer it as amended and then once we get that,
23:19 we can then vote on it in full council.
23:22 Does that process make sense?
23:24 Yeah.
23:25 Okay.
23:26 It's a suggestion, you're the chair?
23:27 Yeah, no, I'm not the chair.
23:28 I'm the chair.
23:29 I'm the chair.
23:30 It's a suggestion, you're the chair?
23:32 No, no, I'm okay with that.
23:33 Other committee members, top of the woman,
23:38 Mark Comforts and Evans, is that okay?
23:45 So do we have a motion to accept those amendments?
23:55 A motion, okay, motion to amend as discussed.
23:59 I'd like to make a motion to amend as discussed
24:02 and I need a second, or did you make that motion?
24:10 I motioned.
24:11 Thank you.
24:14 Okay, so all right, so that is going to,
24:18 so yes, so please make those edits
24:21 and then we can refer this favorably back
24:24 to full council for, we'll refer it favorably
24:28 back to full council.
24:34 If you were to go ahead and motion to do that,
24:36 then we can put this on the next docket
24:39 with the substitute that we would receive.
24:41 Okay, so I'm going to make a motion
24:45 to refer favorably back to full council
24:50 with the amendments as discussed.
24:54 Second.
24:57 Okay, great, we're good.
25:00 Meeting, any, if there's no other further business,
25:06 the meeting of the rules and ordinances committee
25:08 is adjourned.
25:10 Thank you.
25:10 Thank you, thanks for being here, great job.
25:13 We'll start full council in five minutes.