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Finance Committee — 2025-10-27

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0:28Approval of the minutes of the July 21, 2025 Finance Committee.
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  • 0:44 “The motion has been made.”
  • 0:45 “Is there a second?”
  • 0:46 “Second.”
  • 0:47 “The motion has been made and seconded.”
  • 0:53 “Opposed?”
1:05Communication from Councilmember Bullock responding to high housing costs in Lakewood by urging state government to provide new tools to local governments to implement targeted property tax relief programs via residential stability zones. (referred to Fina
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    1:05S. RESOLUTION 2025-47 - A RESOLUTION to respond to high housing costs in Lakewood by urging state government to provide new tools to local governments to implement targeted property tax relief programs via residential stability zones. (referred to Finance
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    • 3:10 “One thing I would like to say about Homestead Exemption on the second page.”
    • 4:49 “So then on the second page it goes through all the millage that the city assesses”
    • 6:07 “second page, those have all been voted on from the residents of Lakewood.”
    • 24:56 “Second.”
    • 24:59 “Second.”
    • 25:00 “Okay, motion has been made and seconded.”
    • 25:04 “Opposed?”
    25:07Communication from President Kepple regarding Council Budget Priorities. (referred to Finance 10/6/25)
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    • 1:09:11 “There could be another option or a second option,”
    • 25:04 “Opposed?”
    • 55:47 “as opposed to council.”
    • 1:04:43 “In 2023, council adopted the climate action plan”
    • 1:12:43 “and without objection,”

    Full ASR transcript

    0:00 Good evening, everybody.
    0:04 Let's convene the meeting of the Finance Committee for Monday, October 27, 2025.
    0:13 In advance, please excuse my voice, but know that this is about 300 percent better than
    0:18 it was Friday, so can you imagine?
    0:23 It pays to have a fourth grader who brings home bugs from school.
    0:29 So let's start by considering the minutes, the meeting minutes, from the Finance Committee's
    0:37 July 21, 2025 Finance Committee hearing.
    0:40 Is there a motion to approve?
    0:43 So moved.
    0:44 The motion has been made.
    0:45 Is there a second?
    0:46 Second.
    0:47 The motion has been made and seconded.
    0:49 Any discussion?
    0:50 Hearing none, all in favor say aye.
    0:52 Aye.
    0:53 Opposed?
    0:54 The ayes have it.
    0:55 Thank you.
    0:56 The items tonight, the one that I think we should focus on is our council budget priorities,
    1:04 most of all.
    1:05 But before doing that, I'd like to briefly turn to item number, well, items number
    1:15 three and four, my communication regarding property tax matters.
    1:21 And Director Mahoney shared some materials that I'd like to give her the opportunity
    1:27 to at least address and perhaps the committee might make a motion to accept into the record
    1:35 of our meeting so that they can appear in the meeting minutes, Director Mahoney's
    1:39 explanation of property taxes.
    1:41 I sent around the copies of this to all council members before the earlier today.
    1:50 So I hope council members have received that and can take a look.
    1:53 But Director Mahoney, would you like to briefly outline what you shared and your purpose
    2:00 in sharing that explainer?
    2:03 Can we display anything on this committee screen?
    2:07 If we can, I'll share or we'll get this document shared.
    2:11 Thank you.
    2:12 But go ahead, Director Mahoney.
    2:13 Sure.
    2:14 I understand property taxes are confusing.
    2:17 They're confusing to myself as well as everybody else.
    2:21 And so I had put this together years ago and I just updated it for the city of
    2:27 Lakewood information.
    2:30 It's just good to know where your property tax is, how it breaks out, what the allocation
    2:35 is and a little bit about how it's calculated.
    2:39 So the front part of it talks about the allocation where you can see the schools
    2:44 receive 52.55% of your property tax payments and the city 24.35.
    2:52 The rest, county, metroparks, Tricy and the Port Authority.
    2:58 And then I have an explanation about Homestead Exemption and that's who is eligible to
    3:05 apply for that and the stipulations on that.
    3:10 One thing I would like to say about Homestead Exemption on the second page.
    3:14 So there are three different discounts, if you want to say that, to a person's
    3:21 property tax.
    3:23 One is the Homestead Exemption that you have to apply for.
    3:26 The other is the 10% rollback and the 2.5% rollback.
    3:31 All three of those reductions are repaid to the city by the state.
    3:36 So the city isn't out that money per se, the state reimburses us.
    3:43 And if you see the Homestead Exemption reimbursement in 2025 from the state was just over $276,000.
    3:53 I did a rough calculation and I believe it's about 440 households in the city of
    3:59 Lakewood have the Homestead Exemption.
    4:03 I wonder if there aren't many more eligible for it that do not have not applied and have
    4:10 not received it.
    4:12 The main thing is for that Homestead Exemption is you have to be the owner of the owner
    4:18 occupied of the property.
    4:20 So just I would ask counsel in your travels if you know someone, especially if they're
    4:27 over 65 and they are a lower income household to go ahead, I would encourage them to apply
    4:35 for that Homestead Exemption.
    4:37 I'm not sure if many more are eligible that haven't applied or if 440 is a good number
    4:47 for the city.
    4:49 So then on the second page it goes through all the millage that the city assesses
    4:55 which is 17.4 mills.
    4:58 And then you can see in 2025 we received just over $27 million in property tax.
    5:06 The important thing to point out on that is how important property tax is to the
    5:10 city.
    5:13 You can imagine especially current conversations about inside millage that's that almost
    5:21 just over $5 million goes towards our bond retirement.
    5:25 If we did not receive that, it would be detrimental to the city.
    5:31 Daniel, are you able to scroll down?
    5:34 If and when you can that would be great but if not we'll refer to it.
    5:39 Go ahead Director Mahoney.
    5:40 That's okay.
    5:42 And then just below that it talks about the inside millage and again that's been
    5:45 the conversation down in Columbus whether they're going to mess with our inside
    5:51 millage or not.
    5:55 And you can see where it goes, some to the county, the metroparks, the schools in
    5:59 the city.
    6:01 And then the other millage is charter millage and those in that middle of the
    6:07 second page, those have all been voted on from the residents of Lakewood.
    6:14 I was back and I didn't put this on here but it was back in the 50s most of
    6:19 those charter millages were approved.
    6:25 And then the last page just goes through a calculation of how you calculate your
    6:29 property taxes.
    6:31 I used $100,000 market value home and this is the very complicated math that
    6:38 goes into figuring out what the actual property tax assessment is.
    6:44 So and you see you take 35% of the market value, multiply it by the
    6:50 millage and then there's those reductions for House Bill 920 which was
    6:56 put in place in 1976 to, it goes towards the school levies only and it
    7:06 was a way to stem the very large increase at that time in property
    7:13 values and that's been used ever since the 1976 bill passed.
    7:20 And then if there's reduction, if it's owner occupied and nonbusiness.
    7:25 So an easier way if you are a homeowner that lives in your own home,
    7:32 you can take the market value, multiply it by, for the city of Lakewood
    7:36 is 2.25% and that gives you a rough idea of, pretty close idea of what your
    7:44 property taxes would be for that home.
    7:49 Okay, thank you.
    7:50 I've got a couple follow-up questions but members of the committee and
    7:53 members of council, do you have any questions you'd like to ask?
    7:56 Sure.
    7:57 Ms. Striebeck.
    7:59 Thank you.
    8:00 Thank you Director Mahoney.
    8:01 This was very helpful and I did have a chance to look at that
    8:03 information that Mr. Bullock sent over today.
    8:06 With the homestead exemption, you have to play for that one specifically.
    8:09 The other two, the 10% and the 2.5 I think were the other exemptions.
    8:15 Do you have to apply for those as well?
    8:17 Those are automatic.
    8:19 They are, I believe they are automatic.
    8:22 I have to look up.
    8:24 I would like to understand that a little bit more.
    8:27 And then it seems to me when we're talking about, you know,
    8:30 the eligible folks for this, that maybe the Lakewood Community Service Center
    8:35 might be an avenue to get out the word.
    8:38 I'm trying to think exactly what you're saying is who are we missing here?
    8:43 You know, probably not people that I'm running in circles but maybe some
    8:48 other folks that are looking for assistance some other way that maybe
    8:52 that there's a bridge that we can build between those.
    8:56 Thank you.
    9:00 Thank you.
    9:01 Any responses, Director Mahoney?
    9:03 No, that's okay.
    9:05 Other councilmembers?
    9:06 I'll contact them.
    9:07 Mr. Evans?
    9:08 I would just add that if we're looking for folks to advocate for trying to
    9:12 get people to apply for and be eligible for programs that are available,
    9:15 Lakewood Alive would be another good avenue for that.
    9:19 Thank you.
    9:20 Mr. Baker?
    9:22 Thank you.
    9:23 This chart is really helpful.
    9:26 And as I, you know, property taxes even with this helpful guide are still
    9:31 challenging to fully understand.
    9:34 I did, so the 920 reduction, for those of you that are uninitiated,
    9:39 House Bill 920 was passed sometime in the 80s or 90s, I believe,
    9:44 and it basically like kept levy amounts at the original,
    9:50 so you froze the value in time when you passed the levy.
    9:54 And that mostly affects like schools and Metro parks, for example.
    9:58 How does 920 affect us?
    10:00 Because this is charter millage.
    10:01 It does not.
    10:02 920 does not affect the city.
    10:04 Okay.
    10:05 So all of our 17.4 mills fluctuate with valuation citywide.
    10:12 Yes, it goes directly.
    10:14 If your value of your home increases, the city will receive more money.
    10:19 Okay.
    10:20 So like, and so for folks, and this is what's so complicated about it,
    10:24 and I think Director Mone did a good job of explaining it,
    10:27 but it's that, so if you look back up at the property tax allocation,
    10:31 that changes every year, really, right, somewhat.
    10:36 Really every three years, but yes.
    10:38 Yeah.
    10:39 Slightly every three years and then potentially drastically every six years
    10:43 when they do their reappraisal, because our percentage is, you know,
    10:49 our mills are, that's 17.4.
    10:51 So we get, would that be 1.74% of?
    10:58 Of the property valuation.
    11:00 Or Lakewood?
    11:02 Thanks.
    11:03 Yes.
    11:04 Yeah.
    11:05 Whereas the schools, it could, when they hit their levy,
    11:07 it could have been 4% of the valuation,
    11:09 but valuations could have gone up.
    11:11 So technically the school's levy is now 3.7% of the valuation or whatever,
    11:16 because the schools will only get that set amount of money.
    11:19 But that's complicated by the fact that some levies have inside and outside millage.
    11:24 Right.
    11:25 And a bond levy for the school might not be affected.
    11:31 I don't believe they are.
    11:32 If it's a debt-valued levy, it's not affected by 920.
    11:36 I believe that's true.
    11:38 And then further complicating that, you know,
    11:42 this effort to abolish property taxes could potentially expose every government entity
    11:50 that has debt to bondholder claims, including the state,
    11:56 which ultimately the city of Lakewood, and this is perhaps for Director Vargo,
    12:01 the city of Lakewood were to fall down its debt,
    12:03 I believe the state would then be obligated to figure out that debt.
    12:08 So it's interesting to me that the state could authorize something
    12:13 that could then create a giant liability for the state if all these bondholders,
    12:19 you know, people that lend money for, we sold bonds for our sewers,
    12:22 we sold bonds for our water, we sold bonds for public improvements,
    12:27 school sells bonds for construction of facilities,
    12:33 and then those banks that hold those bonds,
    12:37 there's no longer a revenue source to supply those bonds with bond payments.
    12:43 And so what happens, which further illustrates how absurd it is
    12:48 because it would create just cascading liabilities for the state.
    12:53 But I am interested in, and this is very helpful to kind of help us
    12:57 as we go into our budget season, understand that source of revenue,
    13:01 because I would, do we have any indication,
    13:03 so it looks like we collected $27 million this year,
    13:05 obviously within that, you know, general fund is,
    13:09 so $13.5 million is going just towards our operations.
    13:14 Do we have any indication of the trend over 10 years of property tax collections, roughly?
    13:21 Do you mean the percentage of how much we collect or?
    13:24 No, like we collected $27 million this year, how much we collected?
    13:29 About $6 million more after the latest reappraisal.
    13:34 So the six-year appraisal gave us about $6 million more in that valuation?
    13:38 Mm-hmm.
    13:39 And then six years before that, I'm assuming that 2013 was worse than 2019.
    13:44 Yeah, we do have, I could share that trend of the property tax.
    13:50 That'd be really helpful, just because I think we get questions about it,
    13:53 you know, as council people.
    13:55 Yeah.
    13:57 Yeah, this is very interesting.
    13:59 And, you know, I think it's a hot topic that all of us need to be informed on
    14:03 because of the issues associated with them.
    14:06 Plain Dealers running a lot of really good stories about it.
    14:10 Their reporting is actually pretty good.
    14:13 But it would be catastrophic if this revenue source went away for the city.
    14:19 Not only would we likely default on some of our pension obligations,
    14:23 we'd probably default on our bond obligations, our bank obligations,
    14:28 and then have way less money to just pay staff.
    14:32 Right, yeah.
    14:34 Like I think we were nibbling around that point,
    14:36 but I wanted to make it abundantly clear as we went over these documents.
    14:42 Yeah, and from what I understand, I've attended a Zoom, was it last Friday?
    14:49 So far it seems that they are focusing on the schools more than city property tax cuts.
    14:58 So, so far we're okay, but to be determined.
    15:02 Every day I think I see another bill come out trying to do something.
    15:08 Any other discussion?
    15:10 Councilperson, I'm going to ask a question or two.
    15:12 So, Director Mahoney, on the point you made,
    15:16 it's a good one that you, it seems that you're wondering
    15:20 or anticipating that there could be Lakewood residents who are eligible
    15:24 but have not yet applied to the homestead exemption.
    15:28 Can we, in the tax department, do an evaluation?
    15:33 We have some private tax information that no other department I think can share,
    15:39 but could we initiate a mailing to certain segments saying,
    15:43 hey, you may be eligible, you may want to apply,
    15:46 and then refer those residents to either our city or to Lakewood Alive or LCSE,
    15:55 and then at least avail ourselves of resources that are already available on the books
    16:02 and may be underutilized.
    16:04 And to your point, the state reimburses the city for those dollars.
    16:10 On the chart you provided, I was surprised at how small that amount was.
    16:16 $276,000 this year is the value of all homestead exemptions in the city.
    16:22 Now, that might be, there might be some arithmetic around that
    16:27 because those homes are valued at certain rates,
    16:30 or we're only talking about a portion.
    16:33 And it does seem to me as if the state defined criteria for eligibility
    16:37 and the amount are both pretty small.
    16:39 You have to make $40,000 or less.
    16:41 That's pretty small or low.
    16:43 And then it gives you, I'm looking for the amount,
    16:49 it says a percentage you get, you get $28,000 off of your home.
    16:55 So God only knows how that calculates in the algorithm.
    16:58 Yeah, I think I calculate about $870 a year savings.
    17:04 That's where I took that $276,000 divided by $870.
    17:10 So maybe $75 a month, but we'll take it, right?
    17:14 I mean, if you can help a Lakewood resident, great, we should.
    17:17 So that might be a way to do something.
    17:19 And the city gets made whole by the state, which is an important thing.
    17:23 I don't think I knew before this, sorry to interrupt you.
    17:25 Yeah, that's right.
    17:26 So, and that's part of the tone and tenor of the conversation
    17:29 that we had at the World Council meeting.
    17:31 Let's, we'll bring this to a wrap shortly because we got to get to other stuff.
    17:35 And I think we want to be thoughtful,
    17:37 but I appreciate the beginning of this discussion
    17:39 and the points that are being made by the finance department
    17:42 and Mr. Baker and others.
    17:44 The state is mostly in the driver's seat,
    17:47 but I guess it's my thesis that we should be an active participant
    17:52 in those conversations.
    17:54 Evans only knows if it'll do any good, right,
    17:57 because the state doesn't always listen to local government partners.
    18:01 But I don't think we should be passive in this,
    18:04 and there could be tools and options to facilitate the city
    18:09 in making targeted relief.
    18:11 I think what the neighbors who are saying
    18:13 that they want to abolish all property taxes are saying is,
    18:16 listen to us, record scratch.
    18:19 Everybody's ignoring us, and it's becoming unaffordable.
    18:22 We're not willing to blow everything up.
    18:24 And I think Councilman Baker's point is that
    18:27 it's right on the keystone of financial stability for all kinds of stuff,
    18:30 so it would really blow things up, which is not what anybody wants.
    18:34 Because I don't even think the tax advocates want their schools to close,
    18:38 their fire and police to be laid off.
    18:41 That erodes your property value and your quality of life too.
    18:45 But I think that's, it's a basically desperate cry for help.
    18:49 And I will say, I've been door knocking, and people are telling me,
    18:53 and they're not all just conservative, ideological activists.
    18:57 They are artists.
    19:00 They're artists and local business owners
    19:03 who are doing very creative businesses,
    19:06 and they bought a home 10 years ago at a certain price,
    19:09 and now they're getting squeezed,
    19:11 and they wonder if they can afford to pay for their business
    19:14 and pay for their personal home.
    19:16 So this is not Alec or Heritage Foundation.
    19:21 I think this is people who are of modest income feeling the squeeze.
    19:28 So I would invite us to respect what we're hearing
    19:32 and not just pigeonhole it into,
    19:35 hey, this is an ideological attack, and our job is to defend at all costs.
    19:40 I do appreciate that, Director Mahoney,
    19:43 that our job is to make sure we have the resources and that we're functional
    19:47 and we can meet our needs and our financial obligations.
    19:52 That's vitally important, so I appreciate all of that as well.
    19:57 So there's some balance here, I think,
    20:01 and it is insightful to me that all of the city's millage
    20:06 does float with inflation.
    20:09 That is not the case for the schools, as Mr. Baker was trying to say.
    20:12 Most of their receipts are capped, not all, but most.
    20:18 So there's a couple things to be thoughtful here,
    20:22 and I also note that the county is half of the city's property tax receipt.
    20:30 The library is very modest.
    20:32 In fact, Lakewood Public Library is the least expensive library system
    20:35 in the whole county.
    20:37 That's a credit to the library and the library foundation.
    20:41 The Metro Parks is very modest and delivers a very, very high level of service.
    20:47 Cuyahoga Community College is an important institution.
    20:50 The Port Authority is almost not there.
    20:52 So the other entities that receive property taxes are quite a modest amount.
    20:58 So I am not making the argument that property taxes aren't legitimate at all.
    21:03 I'm just trying to understand what the trends are,
    21:06 because I think a one-time six-year nearly, in some cases,
    21:12 doubling of the home valuation has made it difficult for people's family incomes
    21:18 to absorb and amortize that spike in their property tax costs.
    21:24 And we're also seeing that when a new landlord purchases a very expensive property
    21:30 compared to what it was six years ago,
    21:32 they're then passing those costs along in rent increases,
    21:36 because they have to amortize the new, used to cost 220,000,
    21:40 now they've bought it for 425,000.
    21:43 And that's being passed on in rents.
    21:45 So this peculiarity of property values and the property tax associated with
    21:50 is having a real effect on the people all over Cuyahoga County
    21:55 and including Lakewood.
    21:57 And I don't know what we do about that,
    21:59 but I wanted to begin understanding it, yes.
    22:03 Yeah, I mean, I think there's, candidly,
    22:06 and I think you've described it well,
    22:08 and I have heard the same things you've heard.
    22:10 So my point was more about the abolishment,
    22:12 not that it's not an issue,
    22:14 but just to the abolishment, it's not a solution, I guess.
    22:17 Agreed, and you make a great point,
    22:19 because if you detonate a bomb at the right point in the dam,
    22:23 the whole thing collapses, and this would do exactly that,
    22:26 because we couldn't pay our road obligation debt
    22:30 and our sewer debt and our police and fire pension.
    22:33 We need to maintain those things.
    22:35 I totally agree.
    22:36 Yeah, so I think as a body and as a city,
    22:39 there are two things we can do.
    22:40 One is advocate to the state.
    22:43 A lot of these things, as Representative Glassburn
    22:46 and Rod Roswini let us know,
    22:49 or these, you know, this homestead exemption
    22:53 and the credit for living in your home,
    22:55 the state makes those local governments full
    22:59 for those payments, and there used to be more.
    23:02 And so the state has slowly capped those shared local burdens
    23:08 with local communities.
    23:10 And so advocate, that's what we can do,
    23:12 or there are targeted subsidies
    23:14 that we could consider in our budget, right?
    23:16 And what I mean by that is that, you know,
    23:19 $40,000 is a low amount of money for the homestead exemption.
    23:22 We could supercharge the homestead exemption.
    23:25 Now, I think administratively that does create issues
    23:28 because technically it doesn't get paid to us.
    23:31 It gets paid to the county.
    23:33 So I think that I'd have to understand,
    23:36 like the property tax kind of relief that I've seen
    23:40 has been countywide.
    23:41 Summit County did some interesting things.
    23:44 County may consider some interesting things.
    23:46 It's harder for municipalities to do that
    23:48 because we're not the fiscal agent that collects the money.
    23:50 But all ears if there are municipalities
    23:52 that are doing that.
    23:53 That's all very thoughtful, thank you.
    23:54 Just so council members know,
    23:56 the state budget that passed for the two-year biennium
    24:00 this past June 30 included a flat tax,
    24:03 which means that the waitress who earns tips
    24:07 and might be able to afford a new affordable rental unit
    24:14 in the Lakewood Hospital redevelopment
    24:16 pays the same income tax rate as a billionaire.
    24:19 So that's the priority of the state,
    24:21 and that's part of why more and more pressure
    24:24 has been on the shoulders of property taxes.
    24:27 So you've got a working class senior citizen
    24:29 who has owned her home for 10 years
    24:34 and paid the mortgage for 30 years,
    24:36 and now is feeling the financial squeeze,
    24:38 and that's not right.
    24:42 So, okay, thank you for the discussion there.
    24:46 That was longer than I anticipated.
    24:48 Could we make a motion to include Director Mahoney's memo
    24:53 explaining the calculation of property taxes
    24:55 into the committee's record?
    24:56 Second.
    24:57 I'll move.
    24:59 Second.
    25:00 Okay, motion has been made and seconded.
    25:01 Any discussion?
    25:02 Hearing none, all in favor say aye.
    25:03 Aye.
    25:04 Opposed?
    25:05 The ayes have it.
    25:06 Thank you.
    25:07 Let's go to the communication from President Caput
    25:11 regarding council budget priorities
    25:13 and also an accompanying spreadsheet
    25:17 that I shared from Director Mahoney,
    25:19 which is an administration's initial response
    25:22 or baseline for explaining or addressing
    25:29 what to date is included
    25:31 in the informal pending draft budget
    25:34 by the administration for 2026.
    25:37 The administration hasn't yet formally introduced that
    25:39 as preparing that, but that's coming soon.
    25:42 We think, Director Mahoney, not November 3,
    25:44 but November 17 probably.
    25:46 Okay, so that's coming,
    25:48 but the administration's been working since.
    25:50 Director Mahoney, do you start in August,
    25:53 July 4, Memorial Day?
    25:55 August.
    25:57 August, okay.
    25:58 So the budget process on the administration side
    26:01 is pretty extensive,
    26:04 and you go department by department,
    26:05 office by office, correct?
    26:07 And so you go in a lot more detail
    26:09 than even what we see in the comprehensive budget document,
    26:15 the budget binder, which is not itself a law.
    26:17 It's an explanatory report.
    26:19 We'll review that when we have it soon.
    26:22 Along with the formal 12 or 13,
    26:26 how many appropriations ordinances do we have
    26:28 to our budget ordinances?
    26:29 About that.
    26:31 Somewhere in that ballpark.
    26:32 But what we traditionally are,
    26:34 now we could do this differently,
    26:35 but the tradition in Lakewood has been
    26:37 to have these different appropriation pieces of legislation,
    26:42 and it includes a macro number
    26:44 for various different categories.
    26:46 Back in the before times, probably after the 50s
    26:50 when the charter votes were taken on the tax levies,
    26:54 but before 1981, which was our last income tax increase,
    26:59 which is a long time,
    27:01 the city broke out different categories
    27:05 of what the appropriation ordinances have to say,
    27:09 and so we've been doing that ever since I've been around.
    27:13 But that doesn't provide a lot of detail, all right?
    27:15 So we want to get into some of the details,
    27:17 because what City Council would like to do,
    27:19 as we've been doing for some time,
    27:21 is develop some consensus around some budget priorities
    27:26 and then see that they are expressed in the budget,
    27:29 funded in the budget in various ways.
    27:31 We know what those budget priorities are
    27:33 because we've been working on them for about 12 months
    27:37 in our various council budget retreats,
    27:39 and that is what's in front of us
    27:41 in Council President Keppel's letter in front of us,
    27:47 which is on the docket tonight,
    27:49 and I'm calling it up, and maybe Danielle or whomever
    27:54 can display it on the screen as well.
    27:56 Thank you.
    28:00 So we see on page 2 of the communication,
    28:07 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16,
    28:13 16 different items mentioned
    28:18 with differing tiers of support from councilmembers.
    28:21 So my hope tonight is to convene a discussion
    28:24 where we councilmembers talk internally to ourselves
    28:27 to set some expectations for our own process,
    28:30 our own selves, but also to do the same thing
    28:33 in dialogue with the administration,
    28:35 and then third, to identify where, if anywhere,
    28:39 city council has more work we would like to do
    28:42 to propose something in specific
    28:46 if we want to enhance what's in the administration's budget
    28:51 or gap fill where it's not in the administration's budget.
    28:56 So pause there.
    28:59 Any questions so far?
    29:02 Okay.
    29:04 Councilmembers, can you have on your own screens,
    29:06 you've got a copy of our list.
    29:08 So briefly, it's affordable housing strategy,
    29:10 block-slash-community clubs,
    29:13 Madison Park master plan, such as farmers market,
    29:15 connectivity, meaning Wi-Fi and things like fiber,
    29:18 racial equity plan, public education,
    29:20 communication and connection,
    29:22 the wastewater treatment plan,
    29:26 short-term interventions for complete streets
    29:28 and the case board, general operations.
    29:32 I think we need more detail there.
    29:35 City hall space slash police, women's locker room space,
    29:39 active transportation, SS4A plan,
    29:43 ADA transition plan, public art,
    29:47 community health needs assessment action plan,
    29:50 large tree preservation slash tree advisory
    29:52 and education and climate action plan,
    29:54 an initiative under that for composting.
    29:57 We have members of the public here to speak on that.
    30:00 I won't be sure to get you.
    30:02 Not just yet, Mr. Lader, but soon.
    30:04 So I said all that because we can't display it on screen,
    30:08 but that's what we're talking about.
    30:10 And then maybe Director Mahoney,
    30:12 if everybody's got the spreadsheet the director shared,
    30:15 please call that up now.
    30:18 And maybe we could go through what you presented,
    30:22 Director Mahoney, as in many places in the budget
    30:28 or in the budget partly,
    30:30 and in some places you're asking for additional information.
    30:33 Would you like to proceed through the list?
    30:36 Sure.
    30:37 So the affordable housing strategy,
    30:41 there was a housing study completed.
    30:43 And thanks to Director Buyington,
    30:45 she showed me it's on the website under community development.
    30:49 I'm not sure if council had something extra
    30:52 that they were thinking about with that,
    30:54 but there was a study completed.
    30:57 The block slash community clubs,
    31:01 we have budgeted an additional money
    31:06 under council's budget for things,
    31:09 I guess for things like that.
    31:13 And also additional for postage,
    31:17 if that was council's intent for more communication
    31:20 through the block clubs.
    31:22 The Madison Park Master Plan slash farmers market,
    31:27 we do have the footsall improvements,
    31:29 the Bexpool design are in the budget
    31:33 that will be presented to council in a few weeks.
    31:36 The farmers market we have been paying for,
    31:40 and it is included again in the 26th budget.
    31:44 The connectivity in the parks slash smart locks,
    31:48 the major parks do have Wi-Fi.
    31:51 I have from the IT department,
    31:54 it's well over $250,000 to just run the fiber.
    31:59 That doesn't even include any boxes they need
    32:02 or anything like that in these smaller parks.
    32:05 And I talked to Director Gordon,
    32:09 they are still researching the best solution
    32:12 for the smart locks in the restrooms.
    32:14 But again, that was included in the budget.
    32:19 For the racial equity plan,
    32:21 we did pay $32,000 to the equius group back in 2024.
    32:26 I'm not quite sure where that stood after that.
    32:30 Personally, I haven't seen a report,
    32:32 but there might be one somewhere.
    32:35 Public education, communication connection,
    32:38 again, that reflects up in the additional money
    32:42 appropriated under the council's budget.
    32:46 The IWIP, sewer projects 052, 59, Buntz Road,
    32:51 2025 water main program,
    32:54 continuing engineering on the IWIP
    32:57 and overflow monitoring.
    32:59 So quite a bit of the capital plan
    33:02 includes things related to the IWIP.
    33:07 In the complete streets and case,
    33:10 included in the capital plan is striping,
    33:13 speed traffic calming, pedestrian program,
    33:15 and then out in the future,
    33:17 there is shared use path on West Clifton in 2028
    33:22 and then Clifton Boulevard in 2029.
    33:26 I'm not quite sure where council was going
    33:28 on the general operations line item.
    33:32 The City Hall space slash policewoman space,
    33:35 there's $18 million included in the capital budget
    33:39 for City Hall renovations and modernization.
    33:45 ADA transportation, there's PCR
    33:48 and ADA curb ramp assessment,
    33:50 which is that's done every four years.
    33:52 That is included in the 2026 budget.
    33:55 And there is also ADA improvements
    33:58 included in the capital plan.
    34:01 Public art, we have historically done 50,000
    34:05 in the capital plan.
    34:06 In the capital plan, there's an additional 42,500
    34:10 allocated from CDBG funds for 2026.
    34:14 And lastly, the items that,
    34:18 the large tree preservation policy,
    34:21 there's a reforestation program of 175,000.
    34:24 We have increased the Arbor Day giveaway
    34:28 in the last couple of years
    34:29 and the hazardous tree and stump grinding,
    34:31 there's 185,000 allocated for that.
    34:35 That's all I know.
    34:38 Okay, thank you.
    34:43 So a lot of information.
    34:50 So, okay, council members, what I guess,
    34:53 I'm taking notes.
    34:55 I will volunteer to be the clerk,
    34:58 even though we have a real clerk over at this desk,
    35:01 of this process for council
    35:03 and create a living spreadsheet document
    35:07 and use it as a working tracker
    35:11 that can be used officially
    35:13 as a public document on the record.
    35:15 And so what I've done on my version of this,
    35:18 which I'll share, is add columns that say,
    35:21 no, okay, so we've got the priority,
    35:24 the administration's response,
    35:26 a new column that says council initiative,
    35:29 where we would define what it is that we mean
    35:32 because the director has, in a couple of spaces,
    35:35 on a couple of these list items,
    35:38 correctly said, I need more information
    35:40 or more specifics.
    35:42 Then we would have the funding difference,
    35:44 such that it exists.
    35:45 For example, if we think that the IWIP plan
    35:48 is already fully funded,
    35:49 that funding difference might be zero.
    35:51 But if we're saying that we want to allocate more funds
    35:54 for public art,
    35:56 we might say exactly how many more,
    35:59 what is that difference
    36:00 so that we would at least know what we're proposing.
    36:03 And then we'll also have, at a future step,
    36:06 what is the funding source?
    36:08 Because, as Director Mahoney and I
    36:10 have had a chance to talk by phone,
    36:12 and the mayor alluded in our public meeting last time,
    36:16 the administration is proposing expenditures
    36:20 and balance with revenues,
    36:23 and then is going to report a balanced budget
    36:27 with certain reserve allocations.
    36:29 And we have a number of them.
    36:30 We have a rainy day fund.
    36:31 We have a 27-day pay period.
    36:33 We have an economic development reserve.
    36:35 We have, I think, our cash reserve
    36:39 for X number of days.
    36:40 At some points, it's been 60.
    36:42 At some points, it's been other numbers.
    36:45 But those are defined financial policies,
    36:48 if I recall correctly.
    36:49 And so in the budget that you're going to propose,
    36:52 you'll say, here's our proposed reserves.
    36:55 So we do have some financial reserves
    36:58 that are available to spend.
    37:01 But as a matter of policy, the city has said,
    37:04 for fiscal management and responsibility,
    37:08 we don't go beyond certain thresholds.
    37:11 Although I will say that that has fluctuated from year to year
    37:15 by different mayors, different finance directors,
    37:18 and responding to different circumstances over the years.
    37:21 But I certainly welcome the point that is being made,
    37:26 because we've got a fiscal discipline responsibility here
    37:29 as well.
    37:32 Now, I also did just hear that the income tax receipts
    37:37 and the property tax receipts have been on the rise
    37:41 in recent years, too.
    37:43 So we may have more financial capacity.
    37:45 Unfortunately, so are the expenditures.
    37:47 So are the expenditures, but not 26%.
    37:50 Our expenditures don't rise by 26%.
    37:52 Do they?
    37:53 Our current budget, we're at about a $17,000 structural balance.
    38:00 So it's a pretty tight budget still.
    38:02 Revenues versus expenses.
    38:03 I would like to know how, because I don't think inflation
    38:06 in the general economy, or even in our wages or materials,
    38:09 has gone up that drastically.
    38:11 So that's for another conversation.
    38:13 But also, are we anticipating bargaining unit presentation?
    38:21 Yes.
    38:22 Okay.
    38:23 And I want to provide this feedback.
    38:25 It is helpful to the City Council to know earlier than now
    38:30 what our, and this is probably an executive session,
    38:33 but what our financial goals for that,
    38:35 what our personnel goals for that,
    38:37 what our HR parameters for that.
    38:39 And as the city negotiating team goes in and commits
    38:44 to certain negotiating parameters,
    38:47 that City Council has eyes on what those things are.
    38:52 And I'm going to guess that it's already late in the hour
    38:57 to have that conversation.
    38:59 But if the administration is presuming that City Council's
    39:03 going to agree to increases in the wages,
    39:07 then the budget that you're presenting to us
    39:10 is going to assume a bunch of things,
    39:13 that we're agreeing to increase expenditures in wages
    39:16 before we've even understood what the negotiations are,
    39:21 what the goals of the negotiations are, you know,
    39:25 and things like we're hearing from residents
    39:27 that they're feeling the sting of property taxes.
    39:29 So, like, I think that for us to budget effectively,
    39:33 we've got to communicate about these core issues
    39:35 a lot earlier in the process.
    39:37 And so if we're looking for $25,000 or $100,000 more
    39:42 to spend on some vitally important issues,
    39:46 I'm not convinced that we don't have
    39:48 more than $17,000 in our structural balance.
    39:53 See what I mean?
    39:54 There's a lot of arithmetic that's gone into this statement.
    39:56 That also includes capital expenditures and things like that.
    40:00 Let me pivot to that before I turn it over to some colleagues
    40:03 because I want to ask them for some feedback.
    40:05 But in the City Hall space, police women space,
    40:09 I don't think City Council's priority was to redo all of City Hall.
    40:15 It was to...
    40:17 Now, admit it, we owe you some communication on this point,
    40:21 but the administration's response is including the capital budget
    40:24 is $18 million for City Hall modernization.
    40:27 That's the price tag for redoing all of City Hall, if I recall.
    40:30 Is that for budget year 2026
    40:32 or is that for budget year five years in the future?
    40:35 That is for 2026.
    40:37 That is not the total cost for renovating the current space
    40:42 and new City Hall.
    40:44 Okay.
    40:45 So the administration intends to present us a budget
    40:49 to redo the existing City Hall
    40:53 and acquire a new City Hall all next year.
    40:56 Partial of this City Hall and the new City Hall.
    40:59 Okay.
    41:00 So that's a big statement and that's a big price also.
    41:03 And I think that's a live conversation
    41:06 that City Council has not established as an agreed upon method or strategy.
    41:10 I know we have a working group that's doing some good work
    41:12 to work through that and try to come to some mutual ground
    41:16 with the administration.
    41:18 And I think, I mean, I understand the administration's point of view
    41:21 is we're going to propose our view of what the solution is,
    41:26 and so that's probably what you're bringing to the table.
    41:28 But if we're saying that we only have a $17,000 structural deficit,
    41:33 even after we've received record income tax increases
    41:38 and record property tax increases,
    41:40 it might be because we've got an $18 million expense included
    41:46 and we've got to talk about those things.
    41:48 I also put on the table, you know,
    41:50 last time we had some back and forth about a pier,
    41:54 a fishing pier at Lakewood Park,
    41:56 that there's some big ticket capital items
    41:59 that I think we need to have a direct conversation about
    42:02 before we assume that City Council understands
    42:06 what the administration is prioritizing,
    42:08 agrees that it's a priority,
    42:11 and agrees that it's a priority for 2026
    42:14 rather than a future year or maybe at all.
    42:17 So I welcome your feedback on how we can have those conversations
    42:22 in an effective manner.
    42:24 I'm getting a little bit sidetracked,
    42:26 but it's not actually sidetracked at all
    42:28 because if we're trying to find a modest amount of additional money
    42:31 for City Council priorities
    42:34 and we're going to have to ask and answer
    42:37 where are we going to fund these things,
    42:39 it gets us into this territory of what are we prioritizing.
    42:43 Let me hit pause and see if I can.
    42:45 Other Council members,
    42:46 I want to ask you some questions about your priorities,
    42:49 but Mr. Baker and Mr. Evans.
    42:52 Yeah, thank you, Chair,
    42:54 and I will say, you know, appreciate this back and forth
    42:57 and look forward to the budget process.
    43:00 You know, I've always, as I've been on Council for,
    43:03 I don't know, four years now,
    43:05 like Council priorities versus,
    43:07 like Council priorities is the budget we pass
    43:10 because we are the appropriating entity for the City.
    43:14 And so, you know, sometimes we've used that aggressively
    43:20 and sometimes we haven't,
    43:21 and I think that ultimately we want to see the City be successful.
    43:27 The administration is the one who is in City Hall every day,
    43:30 knows the streets, got to rely on the directors,
    43:32 and so the process is really good,
    43:34 but at the end of the day, we appropriate,
    43:37 and that's our job,
    43:38 that's what the charter tells us to do.
    43:40 As we go through some of these things
    43:43 in this budget priority,
    43:44 and I appreciate the administration's response,
    43:46 you know, some of it is, you know,
    43:49 I think what we talked about,
    43:50 perhaps this wasn't clear just from like a line item on a sheet,
    43:53 but like, you know, for example, the block clubs,
    43:55 you know, when you're a person
    43:57 and you're trying to get your block club together,
    44:00 a little bit hard, you know,
    44:02 you do your best to coordinate with Public Works
    44:05 and the street department,
    44:06 but it's kind of like, here's your permit,
    44:08 and then, and that's what Public Works does.
    44:12 So the question was,
    44:13 is there any way to like create additional staff capacity
    44:16 or a toolkit for working with Lakewood Alive?
    44:19 Lakewood Alive, I think,
    44:20 is trying to enter the space as well,
    44:22 and that's, and if you're saying
    44:23 that we should hire city council staff to do it,
    44:25 then maybe we should, right?
    44:27 I think that's a really good suggestion,
    44:29 and perhaps, you know,
    44:31 the permit will come from Public Works,
    44:32 but kind of the more facilitation, you know,
    44:36 access to City Hall may come from council's office.
    44:39 Something we need to talk about more generally
    44:40 that's gonna take a lot of time.
    44:43 I do think on the,
    44:46 our intention with short-term initiative,
    44:48 complete streets and case,
    44:49 wasn't the capital plan.
    44:52 I think the capital plan is where, you know,
    44:57 the new process will roll out.
    44:59 We spent a lot of time on it.
    45:00 I'm really excited to see how it works.
    45:03 That's for the streets that need complete redo.
    45:06 You know, we're kind of doing big capital work.
    45:08 I think it'd be nice to have,
    45:11 and this is where perhaps it's in the light on
    45:13 for like traffic calming, speed humps.
    45:17 There's some additional money we can put in there
    45:19 for painting intersections, you know,
    45:23 lane narrowing and certain intersections with paint.
    45:26 I know that's the combination of public art
    45:28 and traffic calming.
    45:30 Kind of giving, perhaps giving case,
    45:33 hey, what would you prioritize some high-level projects
    45:36 of like carcinoid markers here,
    45:38 carcinoid markers there,
    45:40 planters here, planters there.
    45:42 I think that that is more,
    45:44 at least what I was thinking when I put
    45:46 that council budget priority down
    45:49 to give case and collaboration with Public Works
    45:52 and the planning department some freedom
    45:55 to have some funds to do things like that
    45:57 that aren't, you know, hiring,
    45:59 carvo paving and spending $3 million
    46:01 on redoing the street.
    46:03 So those are some of the things.
    46:05 And then the large tree preservation policy.
    46:08 I've been, this has been percolating in my mind
    46:10 for so long that we're doing a great job
    46:13 on the public side of tree preservation
    46:15 and tree planting,
    46:17 but where we're losing our canopy year after year
    46:19 is on the private side.
    46:21 And what can we do to incentivize people
    46:24 to not only plant on the private side
    46:26 but also maintain their legacy trees
    46:28 that are beautiful and not see them
    46:30 as risks or insurance hazards
    46:32 but as benefit they provide.
    46:35 And where my mind was going
    46:37 and was some sort of seed fund
    46:39 that if you had some tree a certain size,
    46:42 let's say it's three feet, you know, DBH,
    46:46 which is diameter at breast height.
    46:49 That's what they use in that world.
    46:51 And there may not be that many trees out there.
    46:54 You know, you can petition the city for funds
    46:58 to do, to hire an arborist
    47:00 to check the health of that tree.
    47:02 And furthermore, if you want to take down
    47:04 a tree that size, you actually,
    47:06 unless there's risk to harm or immediate issues,
    47:10 that you would have to pull a permit to do that.
    47:12 And if it was otherwise healthy,
    47:14 you'd have to pay an impact fee
    47:16 to the city that would then seed that fund
    47:18 that would then help provide arborists
    47:21 and some assistance for folks with those big trees
    47:23 because those big trees aren't just for that property,
    47:25 they serve a larger area.
    47:27 That's the general outline
    47:29 of what I'm trying to think about
    47:31 with that tree preservation policy,
    47:33 but that is very difficult
    47:34 because you're dealing with people's private property.
    47:36 It requires some buy-in.
    47:38 But we do have permitting on private property anyways
    47:40 through the building department,
    47:41 so there may be ways to work that out.
    47:43 That's high level where I was going
    47:44 when I kind of talked about that at the council retreat.
    47:47 Thank you, Mr. Baker.
    47:48 So before others go,
    47:50 so as a process here,
    47:53 so Kyle has, for I think two,
    47:56 maybe the third ideas,
    47:58 started to verbally detail
    48:01 what it is more specifically
    48:03 that council is proposing.
    48:06 And just so the administration knows,
    48:08 what we did in the retreats,
    48:11 two or three retreats,
    48:12 and they were public meetings,
    48:13 and actually we did have
    48:14 a couple members of the public join us.
    48:15 We took notes.
    48:16 Those are all public records.
    48:18 We would workshop some ideas.
    48:20 Not everything that got brainstormed
    48:23 made it onto this list.
    48:25 This is a subset of what was there.
    48:28 And one or two council members
    48:30 may have championed a given idea,
    48:32 and then others said,
    48:33 yeah, I'm also interested.
    48:34 So you kind of see the bags as a referral
    48:38 just to little votes that we had.
    48:40 Anyway, money bags, yes.
    48:44 So Councilman Baker is speaking
    48:47 on a couple of points that he,
    48:49 I think, championed or initiated.
    48:53 And so what I'd like to do
    48:55 for council members is ask you as homework.
    48:58 We've got a little bit more time.
    49:01 We've got like 20 minutes more,
    49:02 but not a ton more time.
    49:05 On the backside of this meeting
    49:06 is evaluate what the administration
    49:09 has already in the budget,
    49:11 check your own notes on what you envision and propose,
    49:15 and then if there's more work to be done
    49:18 from the city council advocate perspective,
    49:21 we need to take it on ourselves
    49:23 to detail what we're talking about, okay?
    49:27 And I've got some work to do
    49:28 on my own things as well.
    49:32 So that means a written description.
    49:35 Here's the purpose.
    49:36 Here's how broad.
    49:37 Here's how narrow.
    49:38 Here's how it would work in plain English.
    49:40 Here's a ballpark number.
    49:43 And better than a ballpark number
    49:45 would be a number supported with some cost evaluations.
    49:49 And then let's bring that back to the committee,
    49:52 make that part of the committee's record.
    49:54 I'll summarize that in this spreadsheet.
    49:57 I'll share that with the administration.
    49:59 This is just informational so that we can then
    50:02 respond to what the administration has provided
    50:05 with a little bit more detail.
    50:07 That then would, for some future council,
    50:10 excuse me, finance committee hearing,
    50:11 equip us to say, all right,
    50:13 on these items, we're on the same page.
    50:15 These other items, we might let it drop.
    50:17 But this third category,
    50:19 council would like to persist in our proposal,
    50:22 and here's the concrete dollars
    50:24 that we're talking about.
    50:25 Also, here's how we would operationalize this.
    50:27 It might be a grant.
    50:28 It might be a new staff member
    50:30 that works for the administration.
    50:32 It might be something else.
    50:33 All right, so we've got to do that work
    50:36 if we're going to be able to be effective
    50:39 in what we're proposing.
    50:41 I wonder if the council staff,
    50:44 Maureen, if you recall,
    50:45 we used to have those forms
    50:47 for the council budget priorities process.
    50:49 Maybe we could dust those off.
    50:51 If you send them to me, I can modify.
    50:56 I hope they exist in Word document,
    50:58 not just PDF document,
    50:59 but we could use some version of that
    51:02 to serve as a sort of a template
    51:05 for the process I just described.
    51:07 And then that way,
    51:08 there's a two or three page
    51:13 documentation for each concept.
    51:15 And then it goes, you know,
    51:17 we have that plus the summary spreadsheet.
    51:19 Would that method work for council members?
    51:25 Any feedback on that?
    51:27 And it's not, you know,
    51:29 busy work for busy work's sake,
    51:31 but I do think if we're going to propose...
    51:33 Does that do more than what your chart here will do?
    51:38 The chart will summarize the detail
    51:41 in a two or three page questionnaire essentially.
    51:45 Councilwoman Steiner?
    51:47 I personally think that is a great idea
    51:50 and that's kind of how my mind works.
    51:52 And when I was looking over this spreadsheet
    51:56 from Director Mahoney,
    51:58 initially I was thinking,
    52:00 oh, there's a column missing.
    52:02 So like, for example, the affordable housing strategy,
    52:05 the administration's response,
    52:07 housing study completed.
    52:09 That's great.
    52:10 So was that the plan all along
    52:13 to just develop an affordable housing strategy
    52:16 and have it sit there?
    52:18 So we invested money
    52:20 in hiring paying consultants
    52:23 that developed a strategy
    52:25 and now what?
    52:27 So I can certainly take the lead
    52:29 in flushing that out,
    52:30 what that would look like.
    52:32 So in my mind,
    52:33 I was already sort of breaking through that.
    52:36 And I think there does need to be
    52:38 some sort of justification
    52:40 for each of these priorities
    52:43 with those estimations.
    52:45 So I mean, to me,
    52:47 it is almost like we're writing a grant to ourselves
    52:49 and providing that budget justification,
    52:51 providing a budget
    52:52 and providing a budget justification.
    52:54 Thank you.
    52:55 Thank you, Councilman Steiner.
    52:56 And to follow on that example,
    52:59 so the administration is correct.
    53:01 We have done some good work to analyze and plan.
    53:04 And if what council is proposing
    53:07 is that we're going to do some implementation
    53:09 or some training or some assistance
    53:12 or some grant, you know,
    53:14 some direct assistance to residents,
    53:17 it's on the balls in our court
    53:19 to say exactly what we mean
    53:21 and then detail the concept of how it might work.
    53:25 Okay.
    53:26 And we'll get to that stage.
    53:27 Councilwoman Striebig,
    53:28 you're the lead on a couple of these,
    53:30 like the block club or community clubs.
    53:33 That's a huge concept.
    53:35 I suspect in your mind,
    53:37 you've got something more specific in mind.
    53:40 And it's just we can work together
    53:42 to detail that a little bit.
    53:44 Yeah.
    53:46 Thank you for bringing that up.
    53:48 I'm not convinced that that is something
    53:50 that the council should be doing.
    53:53 Because of the communication piece with that
    53:55 and because of the access to communication
    53:57 that the mayor has,
    53:59 I think that that may be more appropriately
    54:02 coming out of the mayor's office.
    54:04 When there's communication,
    54:06 it has to go to a block club
    54:08 about where you can go to cool
    54:11 if we lose our electric
    54:13 instead of coming to us
    54:14 and going out from us.
    54:16 It seems like that would be a quicker path
    54:18 to get them that information faster.
    54:22 Same thing with relief.
    54:24 If you've lost all the food in your refrigerator and freezer,
    54:27 how are you going to get some kind of
    54:30 a reimbursement gift card
    54:33 to be able to feed your family?
    54:34 I think that those kind of things
    54:36 coming directly from the mayor's office
    54:38 may be better than trying to put block club communications
    54:42 into the city council office.
    54:44 Thanks, Councilwoman.
    54:46 I think what Councilwoman Striebig is referring to
    54:48 as part of the concept here is that
    54:50 there could be an emergency response component
    54:54 or function of the block clubs.
    54:56 Block clubs to date have been mostly
    55:00 social clubs getting to know your neighbor.
    55:03 There's value to all of that.
    55:05 In the old days, we had
    55:06 now I'm going to blank on the name.
    55:07 Does anybody remember?
    55:09 Well, it wasn't that.
    55:11 There was kind of a police or fire
    55:16 citizen volunteer group
    55:20 that did emergency response.
    55:22 So if somebody was missing
    55:24 or somebody there was a flood or something,
    55:26 we had it for years and then it went away.
    55:28 But there's a component there.
    55:31 So if that is something we wanted to emphasize,
    55:35 that in some ways is kind of a new thing.
    55:37 So us detailing that would be helpful.
    55:39 And then to your point,
    55:41 there is an integration with public safety response
    55:44 that probably is primarily under the public safety director
    55:47 as opposed to council.
    55:49 So we can workshop how this would work.
    55:52 And maybe not all of this gets worked out by December 31,
    55:56 but at least we could say here's the proposal.
    56:00 And for these purposes,
    56:03 which will be detailed by March 31,
    56:06 we propose reserving up to X dollars.
    56:10 And for Director Mahoney,
    56:12 on the financial mechanics,
    56:14 if council were to reserve up to X dollars,
    56:18 that's different, isn't it,
    56:20 than saying X dollars shall be spent, right?
    56:23 So if we reserve an allocation for 2026,
    56:27 that gives us some financial capacity,
    56:30 but it also gives the city discretion
    56:35 to not use all of those funds
    56:37 if it turns out that we're not ready to use them,
    56:40 we need more time,
    56:41 or the need is smaller or something like that.
    56:43 Isn't that correct?
    56:44 Any appropriation ordinance,
    56:46 I'm always happy when somebody doesn't spend the money.
    56:48 Right.
    56:49 So there's that too.
    56:51 So city council can reserve up to certain funds.
    56:54 So I think to the administration,
    56:56 I think that's largely what we're trying to do,
    56:59 is we're seeing good work done
    57:01 in the city, in the community,
    57:03 needs that are emerging or growing.
    57:06 The private tree concept is a good one
    57:10 that's been an orphan issue for quite some time.
    57:12 I know Council Member Marks and I have been working on that,
    57:15 but not actually pulling trigger and action on that.
    57:19 So you could say we want to reserve some financial capacity
    57:23 to begin working on that
    57:25 and see how it goes in year one.
    57:29 I'm going to stop talking.
    57:31 Other council members,
    57:32 do you want to address some of your priorities
    57:34 before we run out of time, Mr. Evans?
    57:36 Yes. Thanks, Chair.
    57:38 I want to amplify a lot of the remarks just made
    57:41 because I'm in very much in agreement with them,
    57:44 especially the,
    57:45 I think there are just gigantic question marks
    57:48 around the allocated money for the city hall space
    57:51 and where we are with that plan
    57:52 and what we are actually going to spend in 2026,
    57:55 and also any monies appropriated towards studying
    57:58 appear at Lakewood Park.
    58:01 Those are really big numbers,
    58:02 and a lot of dollars
    58:03 and a lot of the things we're talking about
    58:04 adding money to are not huge asks,
    58:07 so I think we can be able to make some real impact
    58:10 by reevaluating those huge numbers.
    58:13 Just specifically on a few things,
    58:15 one thing that didn't turn up here,
    58:16 but keeps on coming up,
    58:17 their name has come up several times,
    58:19 I'm advocating for an increase in funding to Lakewood Alive.
    58:23 We are getting way more than they are given from us
    58:27 in terms of work for the budget right now,
    58:30 and even a modest increase in funding from the city
    58:33 can make a huge impact.
    58:34 That organization who's helping,
    58:36 literally keeping people in their homes
    58:38 and dealing with things
    58:39 we don't even want to think about every day,
    58:42 so I think that's really important.
    58:45 I appreciate the administration has set aside CDBG funds
    58:49 for public art.
    58:50 I'd still like to increase that budget
    58:52 and make that funding permanent,
    58:55 and also to Councilman Baker's point
    58:57 about complete streets and traffic calming,
    59:00 I think we should be taking a proactive approach
    59:04 in addition to welcoming our neighbors
    59:07 to help get traffic calming on their streets
    59:11 and finding those streets that are really problematic,
    59:13 especially where there are schools,
    59:14 and being proactive
    59:15 and taking out a certain number of streets every year
    59:17 and installing traffic calming on our own
    59:19 instead of relying on citizens to do that.
    59:22 So that's just a quick take on my three things.
    59:25 I've already emailed Director Mahoney
    59:28 and Councilman Bullock about two of those,
    59:31 but again, I appreciate the conversation with everybody,
    59:34 and thanks for working on this.
    59:36 Thank you, Mr. Evans.
    59:38 Can we, we have some,
    59:40 Councilman Steiner would like to talk about
    59:42 the final priority, which is the composting,
    59:45 and we've had some members of the public.
    59:46 Before doing that,
    59:47 can we all commit to using November 17
    59:50 as a deadline for ourselves
    59:53 to get in these worksheets
    59:56 that will work with the Council staff
    59:59 to circulate amongst yourselves
    1:00:01 so we'll compile those things
    1:00:03 no later than November 17
    1:00:07 to begin to give clarity to all of these matters?
    1:00:12 Is that realistic for everybody?
    1:00:14 Okay, thank you.
    1:00:16 And Director Mahoney will try to communicate
    1:00:19 earlier, as early as possible,
    1:00:22 just to share information about, you know, everything.
    1:00:28 And there's going to be multiple steps.
    1:00:30 So all I'm suggesting to my Council colleagues
    1:00:33 is that we more strongly detail
    1:00:39 what it is that we're proposing.
    1:00:41 A proposal isn't the same thing
    1:00:43 as agreeing to implement the priority,
    1:00:47 and then if we were to try to do that,
    1:00:50 we still have to, we're going to engage in good faith
    1:00:52 dialogue with you and the administration,
    1:00:54 and then we're going to have to also address
    1:00:56 the point about how we fund, how we allocate.
    1:01:00 So I'm not taking anything for granted at all.
    1:01:03 I'm just trying to, you know,
    1:01:05 be a traffic cop up here, if that's all right.
    1:01:07 Yeah, and I think the point of my response to you
    1:01:11 is that Council and the administration
    1:01:14 are pretty much on the same page
    1:01:16 with a lot of Council's priorities.
    1:01:18 So that was the point of me putting this together.
    1:01:20 Wonderful. Yeah, and I appreciate that.
    1:01:22 And you are being very collegial.
    1:01:24 We appreciate the administration's support
    1:01:26 and respect for these different items.
    1:01:30 And, you know, and they're not just ours,
    1:01:32 they're yours, too, because I know the City
    1:01:34 does a lot of good work every day
    1:01:36 to identify and respond to the needs in the community.
    1:01:39 Okay, Councilwoman Steiner, would you like to
    1:01:41 tee up the composting?
    1:01:43 Yeah, I'll tee up the composting.
    1:01:45 So thank you very much, Chair Bullock.
    1:01:47 So I've been working with some residents
    1:01:50 in the community that are very passionate
    1:01:52 about composting and trying to work through
    1:01:55 with Director Buyington as well on this program,
    1:02:00 essentially providing a city-wide composting service
    1:02:04 to the residents of Lakewood.
    1:02:06 I feel it's a low-hanging fruit that we can do.
    1:02:08 We have the Climate Action Plan that was approved
    1:02:11 in 2022, and again, an example of another plan
    1:02:17 that was there and is there and is extensive and intensive,
    1:02:23 and there are things that we can do that are lower-hanging
    1:02:26 that we can start to really accomplish the goals of that.
    1:02:29 There was a lot of time and effort put into that.
    1:02:31 A lot of people invested.
    1:02:33 And I don't want to see another plan just
    1:02:36 that they're not doing anything about it.
    1:02:39 So I've had some conversations.
    1:02:42 Currently we do have composting in the city
    1:02:46 through Lakewood City Schools, and then there's also
    1:02:49 the bins that are over there at Madison Park
    1:02:52 that actually Madison Court Community Coalition
    1:02:54 started composting last year, last summer,
    1:02:58 as part of trying to decrease our own footprint
    1:03:04 when we have trash footprint.
    1:03:06 So I feel it is something that's low-hanging.
    1:03:09 I've reached out to Rust Belt Writers
    1:03:11 to try to get some quotes, get some information.
    1:03:13 I've talked to Lakewood City Schools
    1:03:15 to see how they did theirs,
    1:03:16 how they were able to implement it,
    1:03:18 and I think that we can certainly implement it here,
    1:03:21 and it's something that the residents do want.
    1:03:23 They're passionate about it, so I'm going to turn it over.
    1:03:25 It's okay. I'll turn it back to you,
    1:03:27 and if you want to invite our residents to come up
    1:03:30 and give some comment and feedback.
    1:03:33 Thank you, Councilwoman.
    1:03:34 Yeah, and I support you in supporting that.
    1:03:36 Councilman Marks, do you want to mention anything?
    1:03:39 I think you've been working on this as well.
    1:03:43 Yes, and I'll give my time to the residents
    1:03:46 who are here to speak for it,
    1:03:47 and I can deal with public art when I do my writing.
    1:03:52 Wonderful. Thank you so much.
    1:03:53 Okay, Mr. and Mrs. Lader, if I'm addressing you correctly.
    1:03:58 Harry. Harry Lader.
    1:03:59 Just Harry. Okay.
    1:04:01 Yeah, yeah.
    1:04:02 Actually, Kathleen is another member
    1:04:06 of our liquid composting team.
    1:04:08 Oh, I'm so sorry.
    1:04:09 That's okay.
    1:04:11 That's okay.
    1:04:13 Good evening, Chair Bullock, Vice President Baker,
    1:04:17 and Councilwoman Strabig, and other council members,
    1:04:24 and the rest of the city government.
    1:04:28 My name is Harry Lader.
    1:04:29 I live in Ward 2, and I'm here to speak in support
    1:04:33 of including a citywide composting program
    1:04:38 that would be free for all residents in the 2026 budget.
    1:04:43 In 2023, council adopted the climate action plan
    1:04:47 with the goal of 95% organic waste diversion by 2030.
    1:04:52 Strategy number 37 specifically recommends
    1:04:56 partnering with rest belt riders for municipal composting.
    1:05:02 City Council President Keppel has already identified this
    1:05:08 as a 2026 budget priority.
    1:05:13 I believe that both Councilwoman Hamilton Steiner
    1:05:17 and Councilman Tom Bullock have agreed
    1:05:22 to co-sponsor this legislation.
    1:05:25 Shaker Heights Beachwood already have free composting.
    1:05:29 Cleveland Heights and University Heights
    1:05:31 also have various versions of free composting
    1:05:34 for all the residents.
    1:05:37 Lakewood is falling behind our neighbors
    1:05:44 on this important amenity.
    1:05:47 We're not starting from scratch here.
    1:05:50 As Councilwoman Hamilton Steiner mentioned,
    1:05:55 Cove Community Center, Lakewood High School,
    1:05:59 and at least one elementary school
    1:06:00 already successfully use rest belt riders.
    1:06:04 Dr. Christine Palumbo,
    1:06:06 the assistant superintendent of Lakewood Schools,
    1:06:10 has expressed support for this initiative,
    1:06:14 given the school's positive experience
    1:06:16 with composting programs.
    1:06:19 Both Lakewood and Madison Parks
    1:06:21 have existing drop-off locations.
    1:06:24 We simply need to make this service free
    1:06:26 and accessible to all residents,
    1:06:29 and we also need to provide some more drop-off locations.
    1:06:33 We have at least 56 Lakewood residents
    1:06:37 who have already signed our petition
    1:06:39 across all four wards in Lakewood who support this,
    1:06:44 and we're hoping to get at least 75 by mid-November,
    1:06:49 if not more.
    1:06:52 The infrastructure is in place.
    1:06:55 We have resident and school support.
    1:06:59 There's no need for a pilot program, I believe.
    1:07:03 Funding sources exist
    1:07:05 through Cuyahoga County Solid Waste District,
    1:07:08 and there is the potential for reallocation
    1:07:12 of sustainability budget resources.
    1:07:17 This is good environmental policy,
    1:07:19 good fiscal policy, and responsive governance.
    1:07:24 I respectfully request that the Finance Committee
    1:07:27 recommend including citywide composting
    1:07:30 in the 2026 budget.
    1:07:32 Thank you for your time.
    1:07:33 I'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have.
    1:07:37 Okay, thank you, Harry or Mr. Lader.
    1:07:42 So having had a chance to dialogue a little bit
    1:07:44 with Councilwoman Hamilton-Steiner,
    1:07:46 I think the idea here would be to expand upon the program
    1:07:49 that already exists at Madison Park and Lakewood Park.
    1:07:52 I believe those are the two locations
    1:07:54 where people who subscribe currently can drop off composting,
    1:07:58 and it's higher quality than your backyard composting.
    1:08:03 I do it in my backyard,
    1:08:05 it doesn't include meat and eggs and poultry and cheese
    1:08:08 and things like that, but Rust Belt Riders can.
    1:08:11 So the idea would be that those who would find that useful
    1:08:15 could then just go and do it, okay?
    1:08:18 And I think with our budget form, proposal form,
    1:08:24 we could detail a little bit more on what that means,
    1:08:27 is that anybody, is it for one year,
    1:08:32 is it for a longer time period?
    1:08:34 Would the contract with the vendor
    1:08:39 be based on number of people or tonnage or what,
    1:08:42 and we can find out some more of that information.
    1:08:46 But the advocates and the residents have made a good point
    1:08:48 that we committed in our climate action plan
    1:08:51 to doing a number of things.
    1:08:54 This is one of them, and this is a turnkey way
    1:08:58 that any resident could participate,
    1:09:00 even if you live in an apartment
    1:09:02 and you don't have a backyard or you're mobility challenged
    1:09:06 and it's hard for you to go wrestle
    1:09:08 your compost bin in the backyard.
    1:09:11 There could be another option or a second option,
    1:09:14 which is to support and expand the Cuyahoga,
    1:09:19 what is it, Cuyahoga Water and Soil Conservation District,
    1:09:23 Soil and Water Conservation District,
    1:09:25 who've been doing a training program for years.
    1:09:29 They're already funded to do that,
    1:09:31 do so many programs in the city,
    1:09:33 and then they'll sell you a $50 bid,
    1:09:35 or it was 50 bucks way back when I got mine,
    1:09:38 but potentially we could also support
    1:09:41 or enhance that program if that was appealing.
    1:09:45 So there's a number of concepts,
    1:09:46 but I thank you for the proposal.
    1:09:49 I think you've got some proposed resolution language
    1:09:52 that Councilwoman Hamilton-Steiner may initiate.
    1:09:56 I believe Councilwoman Marks
    1:09:57 is also interested in co-signing.
    1:10:00 So a number of us may join you in that.
    1:10:02 So more to come on this.
    1:10:04 Any other points you want to raise, Councilwoman?
    1:10:08 No, I think Mr. Lader has raised other good points.
    1:10:15 I think it's a good thing.
    1:10:17 It's a low-hanging fruit,
    1:10:19 and just as we're thinking about the budget
    1:10:22 and as we talked a little bit,
    1:10:24 I think it's important that we are responsible
    1:10:27 with residents' tax money,
    1:10:30 and I think we have to remember
    1:10:34 that ultimately we serve them,
    1:10:38 and we're included in that,
    1:10:39 but I think we have to think of what making sure that,
    1:10:47 especially in this climate,
    1:10:48 making sure that our residents
    1:10:50 are getting the benefit of their tax dollars,
    1:10:54 and then it's the benefits that they want.
    1:10:58 Well, not just the benefits that they need,
    1:11:00 but also benefits that they want,
    1:11:02 and if our tax receipts have increased,
    1:11:07 they should see some of that increasing back,
    1:11:10 and as Councilman Baker has said,
    1:11:12 we don't necessarily have a lot of financial control
    1:11:15 over the taxes and the tax rates and fiscal,
    1:11:19 because we're not the fiscal,
    1:11:20 ultimately the fiscal agent of property taxes.
    1:11:23 I think it's important that if residents feel
    1:11:26 that we're using money responsibly
    1:11:28 and they're getting a benefit,
    1:11:30 it's an added bonus to one, living in this community, right?
    1:11:34 It's something that we can start to say,
    1:11:36 hey, you live in a lake,
    1:11:38 this is a program that we have,
    1:11:40 but two, it shows that we're also being responsive
    1:11:42 to their needs and their wants as well.
    1:11:45 So that's it.
    1:11:48 Thank you very much.
    1:11:49 Okay, we're at time.
    1:11:50 Mr. Baker?
    1:11:52 Yeah, I'd be really interested,
    1:11:54 whether it's from my colleagues or the public,
    1:11:56 just to see kind of like,
    1:11:58 I'm familiar with Rust Belt Rider's fee service, right?
    1:12:01 You pay them, put a bucket out, they pick it up.
    1:12:04 But I'm just going to see what that looks like for Shaker Heights,
    1:12:07 how much it costs,
    1:12:09 and I'm sure it takes solid waste out of the bins,
    1:12:13 and that may have a benefit.
    1:12:14 So I'm curious to see that kind of analysis, like scale.
    1:12:17 What are we talking about budget-wise?
    1:12:19 And I assume that's what's going to come next.
    1:12:21 So, and be happy to support it, though,
    1:12:23 because I think it's the right thing to do,
    1:12:26 and it can help get waste streams out of our system.
    1:12:31 Thanks.
    1:12:32 Okay, any final comments?
    1:12:33 We're at time,
    1:12:34 and I should give it to the chairman next to me
    1:12:37 for the next hearing.
    1:12:39 Okay.
    1:12:40 Thank you, everybody.
    1:12:41 Good discussion.
    1:12:42 Thanks to the administration,
    1:12:43 and without objection,
    1:12:44 the finance committee is adjourned.
    1:12:45 I will take a four or five-minute break,
    1:12:47 and then come back.